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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are you a closet Gender Critical?

202 replies

SilentRadical · 24/01/2023 21:05

Only very close relatives know that I’m gender critical. That short list includes my husband and my mother and that’s about the end of it. I live in canada where it practically feels criminal to question transgender advocates.

Is there anyone else here feeling the pressure to stay quiet?

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JustStopOilyPoshKids · 24/01/2023 21:38

I used to. Now I say what I think. Prefer to have conversations F2F and have little interest getting sucked into online spats. Scroll on by is generally best. There are loads of people in my social/ professional circle v invested in trans rights. I ignore all their online hyperbole which considering many are virtue signalling for asspats, grey rocking and giving nothing is probably the best way to go. Deny them of a vitriolic pile on telling you to educate yourself and do better!

I am having a lot more actual conversations about it. Haven't been ostracised or denounced yet! Am at the stage now though where I really couldn't care less if that does happen

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 24/01/2023 21:40

Yup.

JustStopOilyPoshKids · 24/01/2023 21:42

oh and I have been surprised to find many other friends think similarly. One of my close gay male friends is pretty critical. He keeps it from his younger, queer activist husband

Theeyeballsinthesky · 24/01/2023 21:42

in my personal life I’m out as GC but I’d be out of job if I shared my GC views at work.

Thelondonone · 24/01/2023 21:43

Afraid so. Most of my friends know but I have to rein it in at work. Sad really as I worry about the direct consequences of that…

Mardyface · 24/01/2023 21:43

Yep. I'd probably lose my job if I were honest. Funny isn't it how women's voices are being silenced again because the consequences of dissenting are so risky for us.

I'd like to add that I don't care how people want to live their lives until they are telling me what I am in the process. For me gender norms are the problem, not the people who don't fit into them. The norms should be changed, not the people.

SilentRadical · 24/01/2023 21:44

JustStopOilyPoshKids · 24/01/2023 21:38

I used to. Now I say what I think. Prefer to have conversations F2F and have little interest getting sucked into online spats. Scroll on by is generally best. There are loads of people in my social/ professional circle v invested in trans rights. I ignore all their online hyperbole which considering many are virtue signalling for asspats, grey rocking and giving nothing is probably the best way to go. Deny them of a vitriolic pile on telling you to educate yourself and do better!

I am having a lot more actual conversations about it. Haven't been ostracised or denounced yet! Am at the stage now though where I really couldn't care less if that does happen

I hope to become a brave woman like you one day. lol. Perhaps I will start poking and prodding at some of my friends. I think if I grow my circle a bit then I’ll feel more comfortable being more honest.

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SilentRadical · 24/01/2023 21:45

Mardyface · 24/01/2023 21:43

Yep. I'd probably lose my job if I were honest. Funny isn't it how women's voices are being silenced again because the consequences of dissenting are so risky for us.

I'd like to add that I don't care how people want to live their lives until they are telling me what I am in the process. For me gender norms are the problem, not the people who don't fit into them. The norms should be changed, not the people.

It is sad. I feel the same way. They keep going on and on about how it’s for our own good and it’s actually helping us. But it doesn’t. It only helps them…

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moggerhanger · 24/01/2023 21:46

Yup. Both at work, and in my voluntary role which I love too much to jeopardise. Out and proud to husband and kids, but mealy mouthed on social media. Might have to come out properly soon though, I can't stand the duplicity.

Mardyface · 24/01/2023 21:50

It doesn't help us. It just tightens the noose of the gender-based oppression we've lived with all our lives by obfuscating it when it happens and why it happens. It makes me define myself by the system that has oppressed me all my life. And it implies that woman = lipstick basically.

littlbrowndog · 24/01/2023 21:51

No out and proud.

don’t care. You want to tell me what’s wrong with my views

they never do

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 21:53

I'm in the closet, I'd probably get fired if people knew how GC I actually am.

I'm in my 30's and work in the area of women's services.

But as I generate the "risk assessment" it's up to me really who gets in based on risk/assesment

I am the secret gate keeper and there's fuck all people can do about it 🤣👍🏻

rogdmum · 24/01/2023 21:53

No. I’ve long since stopped giving any fucks.

IWannaBeInTheRoomWhereItHappens · 24/01/2023 21:54

Yes but I'm trying. My YA kids are sucked into it all but I'm slowly chipping away and just trying to gently challenge - arguing doesn't help at all, but facts do. I got my DD to agree with me about the danger towards children in all this and the whole prisons issue. Step by step. Some of my friends know and agree with me. My husband too. I keep quiet on social media, I'm on it for my job and just don't feel safe.

littlbrowndog · 24/01/2023 21:54

Be brave be proud. Don’t hide in the shadows.

and I work in public sector. But don’t stand for nonsense. And my other colleagues agrees.

and we don’t talk about it but nobody does the shite pronouns

big government department as well.

littlbrowndog · 24/01/2023 21:56

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 21:53

I'm in the closet, I'd probably get fired if people knew how GC I actually am.

I'm in my 30's and work in the area of women's services.

But as I generate the "risk assessment" it's up to me really who gets in based on risk/assesment

I am the secret gate keeper and there's fuck all people can do about it 🤣👍🏻

Yeah fuck them from the hidden place 🤣🤣🍸🍸

PizzaNinja · 24/01/2023 21:57

My manager and a couple of colleagues know I’m a little GC (well, ok, that I’m raging), I suspect it’ll get a mention at my next performance review. But there’s absolutely no chance of my getting a promotion - I’m as high up as I can go - and it’d be very, very difficult for them to get rid of me, it’d cost them too much. I’m good at my job, and I only occasionally slip into Terven-mode 😳

SilentRadical · 24/01/2023 21:57

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 21:53

I'm in the closet, I'd probably get fired if people knew how GC I actually am.

I'm in my 30's and work in the area of women's services.

But as I generate the "risk assessment" it's up to me really who gets in based on risk/assesment

I am the secret gate keeper and there's fuck all people can do about it 🤣👍🏻

Lol a hero fighting the good fight in the shadows! 🥹

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littlbrowndog · 24/01/2023 21:57

Actually the more you com3 out and give no fucks the better it will be

bullies hate sunlight

madeyemoody · 24/01/2023 21:59

I'm openly GC to everyone except for my work as I work for the NHS and GC is a sackable offence.

littlbrowndog · 24/01/2023 21:59

madeyemoody · 24/01/2023 21:59

I'm openly GC to everyone except for my work as I work for the NHS and GC is a sackable offence.

Say what. Can’t be true ?

cofeetablebook · 24/01/2023 22:01

littlbrowndog · 24/01/2023 21:59

Say what. Can’t be true ?

Hmm. Smells like bullshit.

cheshirecatssmile · 24/01/2023 22:06

madeyemoody · 24/01/2023 21:59

I'm openly GC to everyone except for my work as I work for the NHS and GC is a sackable offence.

Well I'm fucked then

EarringsandLipstick · 24/01/2023 22:08

I'm careful.

I'd be open to certain people, including in the workplace but generally one-to-one.

I am very careful on SM, tho am liking GC posts more.

I work in a university. There's EDI nonsense everywhere (in relation to this) but thankfully it's Ireland, and the university culture here isn't quite as insane as it has become in the UK.

I remember the Kathleen Stock situation really horrifying me - it seemed so relatable - and was a step in realising I had to start being more directive in my views and speak out at least some bit more.

HereComesMaleficent · 24/01/2023 22:11

It genuinely amazes me when we have say a registered Sex offender trying to access sites of vulnerable women, or ex domestic abuse perpetrators.

Like how an earth can I place that as low/medium risk?!

You've all probably seen sadly in the news what happens when risk isn't calculated properly by services. It can lead to someone else sadly loosing their lives.

I won't risk anything. Yes I'm probably heavy handed on risk assessments across the board, but it's better to be safe than sorry 🤷🏻‍♀️