Are you a closet Gender Critical?

[SilentRadical]

Only very close relatives know that I’m gender critical. That short list includes my husband and my mother and that’s about the end of it. I live in canada where it practically feels criminal to question transgender advocates.

Is there anyone else here feeling the pressure to stay quiet?

I'm a woman who isn't hysterical about silly nonsense. I've not been negatively impacted by trans women in any way shape or form. Your mindless bigotry is annoying and tedious.

Oh well just become YOU haven't been impacted then that's ok then. Fuck all the women who have. Not enough space for all the fucking eye roll emojis I want to use.

It's not bigoted to want single sex spaces.

Your lack of basic comprehension skills is annoying and tedious.

You “haven’t been negatively effected”, so that’s okay. Does that apply to everything else damaging that you personally haven’t been negatively effected by? FFS!

Sorry I’ve been sick and a tad distracted. I think that is interesting. I feel a bit like you’re projecting. Not that it matters. When you realized that you couldn’t persuade me you started attacking my intelligence. You equate your opinion with level of intelligence. That says a lot about you as a personal I think. That sounds pretty biased to me. I guess we’re all just a bunch of biased people who can’t agree with each other.

stop masking your transphobia behind faux concerns and just own it. I'd have more respect for you then.

Thanks for confirming that you think women's concerns about single sex services being made mixed sex without our consent is 'transphobic'.

As an insult, its lost any power it used to have.

Well now you’re not even trying.

Every trans person I know has a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria. The only one I've ever really spoken to about it, my coworker, said transition saved her from crippling depression and anxiety and now she's generally pretty happy with life.

This is a genuine question: how is gender dysphoria medically diagnosed? Is there a physical test that can be run which enables the HCP to unequivocally determine the presence (or otherwise) of GD - as would be possible for most illnesses and conditions - or is it just based on what the patient reports?

Otherwise, surely, instead of being able to declare yourself as trans, it would just be a slightly more circuitous route, whereby you tell a medic that you feel you are trans - and I'm guessing that any lack of acceptance or affirmation on their part would be skating perilously close to accusations of 'conversion therapy' - and then the medic signs it off for you with their pen instead of you doing it with your own?

Could there actually be a scenario where, in spite of the patient insisting that they are trans, the doctor could overrule it with his/her professional opinion and declare that they are actually not trans - with impunity and with their professional ability and integrity fully respected?

Have I misunderstood this in some way?

i have a transgender friend on fb who has gone through GRC. I want to support him whilst staying GC. i don't know how to do it.

Would you not just treat it like any other belief system? If you had a Muslim or Hindu friend (if you are neither of these), would you struggle to remain friends, with the understanding that they have their beliefs that you don't share, you have different (lack of) beliefs that they do not share; and you respect and accept that you are different individuals, with different perspectives on things, and that neither of you will seek to force the other to 'convert' to your own beliefs nor expect to cancel, shut down, defame or otherwise disrespect the other?

No Muslim I've ever known has expected me to come to the mosque for daily prayers - much less demanded to know why I'm a 'bigot' for not doing 'the right thing'.

Trans - as in presuming somebody to be the opposite sex and thus qualify to use single-sex spaces for the opposite sex to them - seems to be the only belief system whereby people are not allowed to not follow it. We've become so inured to the fact that people feel forced to keep quiet about not following this belief system for fear of losing their livelihoods, all sense of normality and supposedly democratic TRUE tolerance has disappeared.

We live in a world now where Lord Winston - eminent professor, medical doctor and scientist of decades' standing - can be shouted down and challenged for his understanding of clear proven biological facts by people less than a third of his age, with the only result being an acknowledgement that his 'views' will be 'very controversial'!!

How did we ever come to this? It's the modern equivalent of the baying mob demanding that the 'witch' be burned, because she's old, unmarried and has a cat, so what more proof could anybody possibly need?!

No, because I know normal adults who know science.

I have to be otherwise my trans child would never talk to me again.

I'm horrified how their beautiful body had been militated, how brainwashed they are - I am so sad and I talk to a couple of people about it my husband is one and my oldest daughter the other. They agree but we go along with it to keep the status quo

We have been heartbroken by all of this and it's fucking bonkers, pp said it's the emperors new clothes; it is.

I hate being forced by law to lie about what's in front of my own eyes. I hate it all. It's a fucking cult.

I have worked with adult Lesbians who have told me that they were so confused in their early teens and hated anything traditionally feminine at that time (clothes, hair etc). As they got older and gained confidence, they became clear that they were/are Lesbian and happy with that. They commented that if their confused early teens had coincided with todays ‘trans movement’, they would have declared themselves boys, been very keen to have hormone blockers, chest binding and eventually surgery. They are relieved it didn’t because it would have absolutely been wrong for them. Worth reflecting on this.

Where's your evidence for this claim? Surely GC views are now protected? ( see Maya Forstaters recent case )

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There's nothing hateful about protecting our hard fought for women's rights 🙄

I’d say I’m trying to be ‘smart’, with friends, at work and my child’s school. My family I’m open with.

Some friends are definitely not GC and have kids who identify as trans or non binary - and every one of them I can see from the outside it is causing massive problems, the parents are being extremely supportive, but let’s just say it’s not going well all around and they are in crisis and would not want me expressing anything other than listening to them, and don’t want my opinion.

At work I’m trying to re establish myself. I draw the line at ticking certain boxes like my pronouns, and question gently at the minute. But until I am more secure no one would listen to me, so there would be no point.

At my child’s school, I am on the watch for any safeguarding - wherever it comes from so have deliberately asked that any sex/relationship/wellbeing etc education is alerted to me first before I consent to it. But I haven’t said why. My child is SEN so I’ve just said I’m extra cautious as they are particularly vulnerable.

That's not what you are doing.

You’re entitled to your opinion. You may paint us as monsters if you like so you don’t have to think about the consequences of your actions. But that is something I think we can all live with. Feminism was never meant to be trendy. Historically speaking feminists were always considered “radical” and “evil no good man haters”. The fact that it’s cool and the in thing for the first time in history should be the red flag here for you.

The water mainstream feminists are drinking has been contaminated. They are puppets on strings doing the work of men but sold the idea that they are fighting for “women’s” rights.

Yes, more or less. I’m in France though, which hasn’t gone anything like as insane as Anglophone countries seem to have. There is no teaching of gender woo in schools here: in fact our teachers have been specifically told that unless it has been specifically approved by a child’s psychiatrist etc they should not use different pronouns etc just because the child, or even their parent, asks. I work with some American teachers who ignore this, and are all jumping to ‘be kind’ but tbh they are putting themselves at risk by doing so. In our school we are dealing exclusively with F to M teenagers: it’s so clear that it’s contagious and that the girls doing this are deeply unhappy and troubled. Frankly it’s shit being a girl in high school if you don’t fit in, especially in looks.

on the other M to F side… the protection of single-sex spaces for females is my line in the sand. That’s the boundary I argue for, openly. Oh and I don’t like drag queens, and thought Eveyones Taking About Jamie (which were went to see on a school trip) was a lot of disengenuous, sanctimonious twaddle, albeit with good songs and dancing.

Respectfully, get a grip.

Respectfully, get a grip.

What has she got to get a grip about?

Police here.
I stood up in the lecture theatre at a diversity day and challenged the Stonewall rep several years ago. It was embarrassing, my cheeks were hot, but I cited certain cases where women had been harmed by men posing as women and emphasised that the criminal justice system had the responsibility to acknowledge risk and protect women.
People shook their heads and sighed, but nothing bad happened to me.
Stonewall rep (man) didn't like what I said.
Oh well.

And like the poster upthread, I read stuff on SM and am a member of most of the GC groups, but I prefer the F2F conversation only if it comes up.

It’s what they say when they don’t have a good argument to fire back with.

"I'm a woman who isn't hysterical about silly nonsense. I've not been negatively impacted by trans women in any way shape or form. Your mindless bigotry is annoying and tedious."

Oh do give yourself a certificate and badge. There's probably even some sexist shop that actually has awards for non hysterical women.

Are the women who have lost out on their place in a race, competition, or in the podium hysterical?

Are the women in prisons who can't sleep at night as a convicted sex offenders lies a few metres away staring at them? The women who no longer go to classes or exercise when they used to enjoy it, because they are trying to avoid any opportunities that may give that sex offender to approach and pester them?

Are the girls (some only 16) who were forced to accept "Annie" watch them rotate slowly in paper pants and nothing else for their spray tan hysterical when they felt uncomfortable? And now on learning he was rapist awaiting trail, hysterical?

Are the parents of the child victims of Katie Dolatowski hysterical? The dad of the 10yr old who was assaulted and stripped in a women's toilets before he realised his daughter was in grave danger and stepped in? Is he hysterical or is it just women who aren't allowed to raise concerns?

I am a woman. I am not hysterical. But I am angry, and scared.

I might have a gynae cancer. I have spent a lot of time in hospital and a lot of time having intrusive, invasive and embarrassing tests. My main gynaecologist is male. He's clearly a very knowledgeable, experienced man. He's kind and respectful. But every single time he exams me, sticks all sorts of instruments into my vagina and uterus, and has me raised in a chair with my legs spread and genitalia exposed, there is a biological woman or 2 present to support me. To chaperone him and protect him from unfounded allegation, and to support me. I feel better because they are there. When they tell me what the pain or sensations may be like it rings true and I feel supported. When he tells me what the pain is like I mentally roll my eyes because he cannot know. It makes a difference. It matters to me. If those people were men who felt like women, I would feel alone, unsupported, possibly degraded and humiliated by the extreme exposure in front of males. Acknowledging and expressing that doesn't make me transphobic. I'm not hysterical.

@ElonsMusky who THE HELL are you to tell me that?

And do you know what? If you want and are comfortable with men saying they're women, entering your single sex spaces, performing your smear, your mammogram, you pelvic floor urodynamics, being in the bed next to you as you bleed vaginally and have to be helped change your pad or even have clots removed from your vagina with speculum and forceps with only a curtain between you (and no guarantee they won't be able to see and hear things as you talk about your pregnancy and sexual history), being in the shared changing rooms as you try bras on, being in the toilets as you help your tween daughter cope with her first period, degrade your age/sex grading at parkrun, be your women's officer at work or in a union, take your place on the "women in management" course at work, be there with their male socialisation and entitlement on the "women's bike maintenance" course you go on etc etc, then great for you. You go right ahead and never ask for anything single sex.

But you're still not right to take the option for single sex provision from me, my daughters and other women who want that.