Are you a closet Gender Critical?

[SilentRadical]

Only very close relatives know that I’m gender critical. That short list includes my husband and my mother and that’s about the end of it. I live in canada where it practically feels criminal to question transgender advocates.

Is there anyone else here feeling the pressure to stay quiet?

The idiot that shot up Club Q is a perfect example. He double victimizes actual trans people by then claiming to be one go get a lighter sentence for his anti gay, anti trans violence.

This is demonstrably false. The ClubQ shooter is being tried for murder in the first degree - which is the strongest charge they could levy. You're trying to claim that the announcement of non-binary status might take away a federal hate crime, assuming "It's not hate if I'm one of them!" but in the U.S. a first degree murder charge commands a stricter sentence than a hate crime. Claiming non-binary doesn't change the tougher murder charge.

I’m in awe of the brave women who put their heads above the parapet and do a bit of gardening to support them when necessary. I do what I can in small ways like getting some changes made to school’s policies, ignore any pronouns requests and encouraging the younger members of the family to do some critical thinking, but am otherwise pretty much in the closet. Mortgage, bills etc. I wish I was braver.

There's no push to change children in schools. There is a push to teach kids to be kind and accepting of everyone who is different though and for LGBT kids to grow up knowing their existence is acknowledged and not something to be ashamed of.

ElonsMusky That is incredibly naive. Here’s some quotes from staff at my daughter’s school which we discovered via a subject access request:

In DD’s school record (DD was 14 at the time): ”Mum and dad absolutely do not endorse [DD] using masculine pronouns… and that it will be bad for [DD’s] mental well-being. She said that their previous psychologist had agreed”.

“[Year Head ] emphasised to mum that we have [DD’s] best interest and well-being at heart, and that we will be respecting his wishes to use the masculine pronouns.”

Deputy Head in meeting minutes to Head while DD was trying to distance herself from gender ideology at the school: “We are considering being bolder with the use of male pronouns though it is difficult because [DD] is loathe to say what they want.”

Year Head on why the decision was right to guide DD through her social transition (via telling her about her “legal rights and how to exercise them” when she was 13): “We just saw a young person who had had many issues in the past and thought this may have been an answer for [DD]”

Her “many issues” had been severe bullying and ostracisation at the school.

I know dozens and dozens of parents who have had the same experience with their child’s school. It is breathtakingly naive to believe it doesn’t happen.

A man doesn't need legal access to the ladies room to rape women.

This boring old argument again. Look up the basic principles of safeguarding. A burglar is going to burgle your house anyway if they want to, but we still lock our doors, have alarms, ring doorbells and the like to lessen that risk. Safeguarding.

If a man (whether they are wearing a dress and crap make up or not) is in a place not designated for them, I am on my guard as my instincts tell me that person shouldn't be there and I can act accordingly.

We can't tell the 'genuine' trans with a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria (which you don't need now in Scotland) from that piece of shit man rapist now locked up in a women's jail. You don't get to say who is genuine or not as that's the whole point of self ID - if you say you are trans, you are. End of. Just because you feel comfortable you also don't get to speak for all women.

Sex based spaces exist for a reason and SEX based spaces should remain.

Love this 🏅

I'm not sure if posters from the US actually know what the existing laws in the UK are around trans rights.
Trans people are already well protected by equality legislation. It's already an offence to treat someone less well because they are transgender. But the Equality Act is not hierarchical so sometimes one protected characteristic can be favoured over another. Depends on the circumstances.
Transgender people were able to access marriage equality long before gay men and lesbians were.
Self ID potentially destroys the social contract between us all by allowing predatory and abusive men the cloak of trans to enter spaces not meant for them and to claim privileges that allow them easier access to their victims.
We all know nice trans people - they're not the problem. The problem is the dismantling of safeguarding frameworks in the name of progress and all the gullible well meaning people cheering it on.

Out and proud teacher. Please, please everyone speak out. We need to protect our girls.

Never been in the closet on this issue with friends and family. Most are left leaning and agree so it's been easy for me. At work, in the public sector, I ignore requests to add pronouns to emails and would refuse to say them in meetings. Have a few close colleagues who I am out with and they think it's all nonsense too including my manager. It must be very difficult working for a very pro TWAW team, I would look for those that don't add pronouns and take that as a sign they are GC.

I'm freelance in the arts, with most of my work coming from informal referrals/contacts, and I genuinely worry that if I was very out about my views I wouldn't get much work - two out of three of the people I currently report to (in different organisations) have pronouns in their signatures, for example. So, I'm very cautious and hope to fly under the radar because of that. I've just signed up to the Woman's Place conference on 4th February, and I've realised that I won't be tweeting about it - just in case - which I find really sad.

Trust hasn't gone as far as pronoun bollocks yet. See it on some emails.
The trust says they aren't involved with stonewall but the stonewall logo is at the bottom of letters crap and stonewall also advised regarding the transgender policy.
I wear a suffragette pin on my uniform
My head of nursing is the lbgt alphabet soup advisor.
I'm stubborn enough to say bring it on tbh.
You north west by any chance?

Oh and I went to a recent trust training day wearing my adult human female T-shirt.
No one batted and eyelid but I did get asked questions by my colleagues who didn't have a clue about what's happening

I can't be out at work and therefore social media is out too. I have a trans child and they know my position. I'm disabled and getting another job is hard.

Also I note our US friend had no response to the rebuttal of the suicide threats.

That's quite heartening about Irish universities. I had heard a few years ago that Trinity was woke central. But I guess these things can change very quickly as a cohort of students passes through?

It will take longer to change the try hard 'liberal' culture of the Irish media I suspect.

Being bolder on Twitter. Moved from "liking" to retweeting and occasionally commenting.
Have lost a few Twitter friends in a circle I was in - I saw some hissy fit DMs and tweets about same issue for another person formally in the circle so I assume similar for me. Others have not unfollowed me and at least one has actively liked women's rights things I have retweeted. Interesting to see how long before the toddlers go after her.

That's horrible and I'm so sorry you were let down by friends like that. I wonder how all this will finally unravel? Will people apologise for being such arrogant fools or just ' move on ' like none of this happened.

I'm openly gender critical in person; it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. To date I haven't been denounced or criticised for what I've said, and it's been discussed in several different social circles of mine.

Currently I don't post about it online etc because I have no interest in doing so, but mainly because I don't want it to be used against me. Making statements online can be tricky because context and meaning can be misinterpreted, and with such a sensitive subject I would only discuss it in person so the other parties can accurately gauge my attitude and stance.

@cheshirecatssmile yes NW, funny/worrying that you could guess that!

Yes, me. DH knows and is also GC, and one or two very close friends.

I think I would likely lose my job if I was openly GC on social media / at work.

I made a thread last week asking for advice On transgender apprentice Mtf at my sons nursery and it was deleted and I was told it wasn't in the spirit of Mumsnet
Why can't I get advice? I'm sick of censorship
MN is supposed to be a free forum and it isn't unless you stick to their topics allowed to be discussed

My husband and I have a problem with it
There is no doubt a trend for it

Why are so many people so dysfunctional?
Fashion,

We may work for the same trust , maybe.
Trying not to be outing 😬

I am quiet on social media but am openly GC in front of family and friends and most of them feel the same way with the exception of two of my dds. They have accused me of being a transphobe simply because I admire JKR. I have asked them to find me a quote where she says anything nasty or negative about trans people but of course they can't, so we are at a stalemate and just generally avoid the subject.

You can't include articles as evidence. And I am not overly impressed with the studies either. Correlation is not causation. What factors did they control for? What data did they produce? And my lecturers at uni would have marked me down for including a lot of the items that the studies used to reference their claims (e.g. referencing articles, opinions, outdated material).

And a study from India, which has a very different culture to western nations?

This study below shows what a study should include, including acknowledging limitations. E.g. other co-morbidities, background information on the subjects, the fact that this was a retrospective study.

And even then, this study didn't directly compare outcomes between a transgender and their biological sex, factoring in age, socioeconomic status, education, etc.
Trends in suicide risk in transgender people

NHS, so I'm not explicitly GC at work, but I ignore the regular encouragement to display pronouns, have a growing collection of Suffragette badges, and spend increasing amounts of time asking Perfectly Reasonable Questions about why we are saying things and whether we're complying with the law, and helpfully pointing out 'mistakes' in references to the EA or use of gender when it should be sex. I've had several people quietly thank me for raising issues.

DH knows my views but no-one else does. I'm retired so haven't had to deal with work. I follow lots of GC posters on Twitter but never engage.
I wonder about my friends of a similar age (early 60s) and suspect they would agree with me but it's never come up.

My two DC are mid 20s and we have never discussed it. If the subject comes up I will try to present my views. They are largely respectful of my opinions because I am generally of a similar political view to them (not so their DH). One DS is a teacher and the other in a tech job.
I feel very strongly about the harm done to angsty teenagers and the appalling long term risks of taking hormones and puberty blockers. Also feel strongly that lesbian women should not be a target for TRAs because they are not attracted to males.

I agree. I fully trust studies really anymore. I’ve found when I start following the money a lot of studies about transpeople are dirty and politicians and big pharma have their hands in the pot. Very very few studies are non-partisan and that’s a huge problem.