Telegraph: "Exclusive: Boxing to introduce new transgender category"

[ResisterRex]

Seems no one is up for mixed-sex boxing. Whoever would've guessed?!

It would be amusing to watch Stonewall et al denounce this as "exclusionary" and "transphobic" but presumably they'd be well-advised to sit this one out.

www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2022/12/29/exclusive-boxing-introduce-new-transgender-category/

"Boxing will put out a call for transgender athletes to come forward in 2023 with the World Boxing Council looking to introduce a new category solely for trans fighters.

Mauricio Sulaiman, the president of the WBC, believes the sport needs to look closely at the issue for “safety and inclusion” reasons, revealing his plan to Telegraph Sport.
In an exclusive interview, Sulaiman says his proposal is that:
The WBC will next year issue a “global call” for trans athletes to come forward if they want to compete, with the aim of setting up their own separate league or tournament
Trans athletes will not be allowed to compete against non-trans fighters
The sport would look to adopt the “at birth” rule, meaning a trans fighter born a man would only be able to compete against a fellow trans fighter born a man"

Appropriately, boxing has the term "Alphabet soup":
Alphabet soup refers to the abbreviations of the various sanctioning bodies that have proliferated since the 1980s.

It is their handing out of what many boxing aficionados consider 'cheap' world titles.
www.theukrules.co.uk/rules/sport/boxing/terminology.html

To which we can now add the new MtF and FtM titles...

So to recap, women born women can only fight women born women, and men born men can only fight men born men. So, dividing sport based on biological facts, just like we always have done.

Yeah, but times two,

When will they begin to get it do you think?

When will the penny finally bloody drop.

"But insistent of the "at birth” policy, Sulaiman outlined: "That is absolutely correct, we will not allow - ever - a transgender born a man to fight a woman, who was born a woman. But we are creating a set of rules and structures so that transgender boxing can take place, as they fully deserve to if they want to box."

Now this is a real litmus test to how the usual activists will react. On the one hand they are very clear about sex and protecting females from males, on the other hand they are coming out and asking for transgender people themselves to shape this new division. You can't get more inclusive than this.

I wager that if this is labelled transphobic, it will be a massive own goal.

You don’t even have to go back as far as the Middle Ages. The popularity of Castrati only declined in the last 100-200 years or so. They suffered many health problems related to never going through puberty. It’s tragically laughable to think puberty blocked males will be healthy enough to be competitive at any sport.

”I mean, you're talking to a straight trans woman, who do you think I was shagging before? Like I was a kid during the last moral panic when people like you had lots of delightful names for people like me and much much more.”

Really, please also stop the personal attacks where you lie about what posters believe. You have no idea who I am and what ‘names’ I have for you or anyone.

Are you so bereft of evidenced arguments that this is all you have left. This constant barrage on generalisations and lies about what people believe?

And your language is so unclear that I can only assume you are a heterosexual male from this discription….

“..but I will pass on your message to my LGB friends who will as usual tell me to stop talking to cranks on the internet.”

Oh dear. Another one. ‘A crank’, eh? You are making direct personal attacks yet also seem to have a very low bar regarding interpreting people’s words as ‘insulting’ towards you. In fact, you told wait that they were ‘insulting’ you yet there were no insults in the post you quoted.

And you are here on the feminist board. Why not actually go and read the posts from Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual people here? The ‘message’ is one I have read or discussed with them.

Maybe they are the ‘wrong sort’ of people though. I suspect you mean the “LGB friends” who agree with you not any other LGB people.

No matter, the comment about forced teaming still stands. You have not been able to provide any reasonable points at all about Section 28 being comparative to gender identity theory being taught in school at all.

Just more hyperbolic manipulation and personal attacks.

it seems never ending.

“Though if you want trans men winning all the time, then please prevent them from competing in the men's category as they wish to.”

Why should any female taking a performance enhancing drug be allowed to compete with other female people?

And again, in contact sport, why should any sporting organisation assume any risk of serious and life shortening injury of a female playing in the male category?

You avoided answering the question upthread. The one asked if any sport should accept any person who has chosen a medical treatment path that reduces their competitiveness or indeed involves banned substances into a protected category that is not for established for them.

I also notice you avoided answering the hugely important question, does testosterone strengthen female brain nerve fibres to male strength?

Yes or no?

If no, then no male athlete should be burdened with the knowledge that they may shorten someone’s life and no sports organisation should allow this to happen. Or do all male people simply not care about causing injury to an opponent they know is female so has a much higher risk ? Is that what you are trying to say?

Females cannot win in the male division at the top level. I have really questioned someone on this on Reddit before, and other than Hosier the swimmer, all they could come up with is amateur stuff. So yea, if an incredibly talented female were to take testosterone, she could come close, but she wouldn't win. We saw what East German women could do on steroids, which was not beat males.

Yes Mr H. It seems that some people forget we had women forced to be a live experiment for just this scenario.

Before what? Your internalised homophobia made you turn from gay to straight?

I have read through the thread and someone asked you why you keep mentioning that you are trans, and you do in fact. Even after they asked that. And now the "before" bit. Very curious.

Well clearly the delightful Fallon Fox didn't give a shit.
Separating the sexes seems to be more for the safety of the females, than the often nonexistent consciences of the males who would fight them.

TerfranosaurusVagina

Yes.. there are a few who probably wouldn’t care at all. But some would. Well according to posts from male athletes I have read.

Fox has bragged about their voilent acts, and wasn’t there a wrestler too? And a boxer? Males who seemed to brag about the damage they inflicted on females while competing as women.

If pointing out facts and data is "shitting on transgender people"
Then what the hell do we call fracturing a womans scull?

Oh no, sillies me, I forgot, it was a woman who was injured by a transgender person. That doesn't signify.

Then what the hell do we call fracturing a womans scull?

Entertainment.

Apparently.😑

I’m getting over the flu, and my head is dreadfully fuzzy.
Can someone please explain what was actually meant by “a straight trans woman” in the context used in this thread?
I read it as a transidentified male who is attracted to males?

You read it right. It refers to a gender non-conforming male who is attracted to (presumably gender conforming?) males. But because he's gender non-conforming, he's a woman and therefore is straight.

It's not your head that's fuzzy. It's the Humpty Dumpty-esque gender ideology dictionary that's fuzzy.

The demand that men who claim they are women must be allowed to compete as women has always been wholly detrimental to women who claim they are men, who are unable to compete in the men’s section due to their anatomy and, thus, if they want to compete, must refrain from any aspect of medical transition that is banned due to the advantages it would give.

Hopefully these new categories mean that women who claim they are men can take testosterone if they want, or can remain in the women’s competition if they don’t. This is the first solution I have seen that is actually wholly fair to this group. All other solutions, including having “Open” and “Women” sections disadvantage them.

It will be interesting to see whether those advantaged by all previous “inclusive” solutions (men who claim they are women) will embrace this genuine inclusivity, or whether they will reveal themselves by arguing against it.

I can't help wondering who will be the paying audience for this distasteful pantomime.

Wait what?

Straight has been redefined to suit a specific group’s political ambitions?

No way!

I read this as a male telling us they were attracted to females. They said ‘straight’. That is all that is needed.

If there is a poster here forceably redefining my sexual orientation then that attempt can go to fuck.

No sexual orientations should be redefined from the established and very well used terms to suit someone else’s feelings.

or how many transmen...

Yeah I'm confused as well. I didn't get a answer from bee yesterday as to what a straight transgender woman actually is

Surely by that comment it shows rampant homophobia by the fact that a male is having relationships with other males and can't even being themselves to admit they are still gay. Despite their attempts to change sex to escape that fact.

And we're are the homophobic bigots.

Itt had to be if bee had been a straight man before bed would have said bed was a lesbian now

Yes. I've said this for a few years now. As an sport scientist it has long been obvious to me that transmen are sufficiently 'othered' by their choices that they cannot compete fairly or safely against men or women.

It's a harsh reality, one we would do well not to ignore.

So gay then?

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