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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s Equality Party votes for Self-ID

251 replies

AnonGCMum · 26/11/2022 20:37

I gather from reading Twitter that the WEP has today voted to support self ID. I’ve looked, but I can’t find the text of the motion that was voted for. Has anyone seen it? I’ve seen Sophie Walker’s open letter asking members to vote against mobile.twitter.com/SophieRunning/status/1596036529209724929

More generally, is the WEP worth getting involved with? I like the idea of a feminist party but if they’re going down the self-ID/TWAW route then it’s not for me.

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Kucinghitam · 30/11/2022 11:31

Bernard you're a poet! Grin

SidewaysOtter · 30/11/2022 15:56

I see that WEP have started closing comments on their tweets, presumably their post yesterday didn’t go the way they’d planned as the vast, vast majority of comments were critical of them for abandoning women. I’m not sure if they’ve got the message, but they certainly don’t seem to want to hear it.

ArabellaScott · 30/11/2022 16:08

Bernard Grin

ArabellaScott · 30/11/2022 16:09

You may say I'm a boomer
But I'm not the only one

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 16:44

And anyway it’s bigoted to suggest that the year of my birth
Invalidates my opinion

ArabellaScott · 30/11/2022 16:54

Imagine no possessive pronouns
I wonder if you can
No need for he or his/hers
A brotherhood of man/men/they/them

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/11/2022 17:00

ArabellaScott · 30/11/2022 16:54

Imagine no possessive pronouns
I wonder if you can
No need for he or his/hers
A brotherhood of man/men/they/them

Grin
Helleofabore · 30/11/2022 17:09

Oh.... even more song joy!! Thanks Arabella and Bernard!

TerfranosaurusVagina · 30/11/2022 19:06

Imagine normal language,
It isn't hard to do
There's no pregnant 'people'
No chestfeeding too.

Imagine all the women
Properly nounified
Ah aaaaaaaa

Imagine no more eggshells
Ze/Zir/Zey and Zem
Describing as you see them
Women, children, men

Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
Youuuuu

You say I'm a hateful bigot
And I'm not the only one
And Trans rights are human rights,
But I think you'll find they're lacking none.

Adult Human Female
Or otherwise woman
So much twisted language
To say 'I'm not a man'

Why's there so much pointless
Naval gazing
Boo hoooo

RedToothBrush · 30/11/2022 19:35

TerfranosaurusVagina · 30/11/2022 19:06

Imagine normal language,
It isn't hard to do
There's no pregnant 'people'
No chestfeeding too.

Imagine all the women
Properly nounified
Ah aaaaaaaa

Imagine no more eggshells
Ze/Zir/Zey and Zem
Describing as you see them
Women, children, men

Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
Youuuuu

You say I'm a hateful bigot
And I'm not the only one
And Trans rights are human rights,
But I think you'll find they're lacking none.

Adult Human Female
Or otherwise woman
So much twisted language
To say 'I'm not a man'

Why's there so much pointless
Naval gazing
Boo hoooo

Omg I nearly drowned on my half pint choking nearly to death in the pub!!!

😂

Helleofabore · 30/11/2022 21:03

Yay Vag!!! You rock too!!!

MinistryofCheer · 30/11/2022 21:32

lifeturnsonadime · 30/11/2022 11:29

What's a 'whit paedophile'?
if you mean people like Jimmy Saville what 'gang' was he in?

Jimmy Saville was abhorrent and was enabled by people who refused or were too scared to act out but I'm not aware that he was abusing along with or collectively with other white paedophiles which is why he is not referred to as a 'grooming gang'.

There were a number of members of Saville's "gang" including Ray Teret who was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Others may not have been prosecuted.

ArabellaScott · 30/11/2022 21:32
Grin

Yas, Vag!

TerfranosaurusVagina · 30/11/2022 22:22

Is it cultural appropriation if I demand to be identified as Terf? Wink

Hepwo · 30/11/2022 22:42

You were away a long time scraping that barrel for that snippet, ministry.

MinistryofCheer · 30/11/2022 23:28

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TinFoilHatty · 30/11/2022 23:35

To be fair I think the typo whit for white was confusing. We knew of a white paedophile network but a whit one seems a bit, I dunno, calendar-specific. Glad you explained you meant white.

MinistryofCheer · 30/11/2022 23:39

TinFoilHatty · 30/11/2022 23:35

To be fair I think the typo whit for white was confusing. We knew of a white paedophile network but a whit one seems a bit, I dunno, calendar-specific. Glad you explained you meant white.

"To be fair I think the typo whit for white was confusing"

no it wasn't.

TinFoilHatty · 30/11/2022 23:40

Oh.

MinistryofCheer · 01/12/2022 00:06

Imagine nitpicking typos
to support your racist bile
and using Lennon's lyrics
as your feminist poster chile

Ignore how he treated Cynthia
and Yoko Ono too
you don't need to be consistent
when you're backing your far right crew

you may say I'm a hypocrite
but I'm not the only one
When we talk of "people of Rochdale"
we mean Muslims people hated by `The Sun

(that newspaper well known for its fearless support of womens rights)

CousinKrispy · 01/12/2022 00:24

It seems a bit of a straw man to pretend that someone referring to or parodying well-known song lyrics is therefore in support of the lyricist himself.

TerfranosaurusVagina · 01/12/2022 01:28

Oooh its the battle of the rhymes...

<flicks hair>

Ministry stretching reality
Statistics are very lacking quality
So we'll tar everybody with the racist brush
Cos the transphobic label didn't make 'em hush.
Scrabbling around to link the far right
When everybody knows thats a load of old shite.
Biology dictates that a male with a phallus
Can never act-u-ally ever be an 'Alice'.
Women just want to feel safe and protected
In spaces for WOMEN. Instead of detecting
An unexpected penis in the bagging area;
Getting wrongly accused of hysteria.
Young girls and women want privacy to pee,
Wash blood off their hands and cry if they need.
I'm miscarrying, but if I tried to inform ya,
I'd only be told I shouldn't weaponise my trauma.
We're not bigoted for not inviting assault
So instead of tantrumming coz you think we're at fault
Why not lobby for tert-i-ary spaces
For folks whose gender ain't in homeostasis?
It's the obvious solution, and its plain to see,
But "No" you stomp, "that doesn't validate ME"!

Needmoresleep · 01/12/2022 02:14

Party leader Mandu Reid is making headlines.

news.sky.com/video/buckingham-palace-lady-hussey-interrogated-ngozi-fulani-witness-12758830

as a witness to yesterday’s shenanigans at the Palace. Views will vary, though I assume people will agree that it is a pity that Camilla’s important message about DV may have been overshadowed. The subsequent and immediate plea for money for the WEP then looks a bit awry timing-wise.

mobile.twitter.com/ManduReid/status/1597881836289413121

Helleofabore · 01/12/2022 02:32

MinistryofCheer · 30/11/2022 21:32

There were a number of members of Saville's "gang" including Ray Teret who was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Others may not have been prosecuted.

Is this the post you claim to be presenting ‘evidence’ of a gang?

You asked :

Why aren't powerful middle-aged whit paedophiles called "grooming gangs"?

I think we know the answer.

And you think with this post you have have provided evidence? I’d suggest your bar is extremely low if you are providing this as anything like ‘evidence’.

Let alone of a ‘gang’. A known ‘ring’, yes. Did they operate as a ‘gang’? And were they anything near the size of the 40+ group? And that was just those able to be prosecuted!

Four depraved men who committed many atrocities according to your link. And were not doubt groomers and enabled to do so. But they don’t seem to have been the size of the grooming gang.

I am genuinely not sure what your point is. You want all paedophile rings or groups labelled gangs’ even if they didn’t operate like a gang?

Have you got any other examples from here in the UK of large high groups that should have been called grooming gangs and weren’t? What were they called instead?

I am quite confused why you are making a point about the description of these abhorrent males being labelled as being in a ‘grooming gang’. And why you seem to be attempting to silence discussion about how they were able to operate and remain able to for so long by calling that discussion racist.

But again, you are providing a live demonstration of just how those men were able to remain uninvestigated for so long because of fear of being called racist. You are throwing out the ‘racist’ accusations liberally in your deep prejudice against people posting on this board which has been apparent from your entry into this discussion.

Isn’t using those girls and young women’s trauma as a gotcha in your prejudice rather showing your behaviour for what it is? You are not here making arguments for stronger safeguarding you are here using their trauma to shame a group of people on the internet.

The entire point of the discussion is ‘no groups should ever be exempt from strong safeguarding procedures and investigations of harm against vulnerable people’.

Regardless of that group’s race, religion or occupation.

But well done in showing your own behaviour and motivations so clearly.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 01/12/2022 08:16

TerfranosaurusVagina · 01/12/2022 01:28

Oooh its the battle of the rhymes...

<flicks hair>

Ministry stretching reality
Statistics are very lacking quality
So we'll tar everybody with the racist brush
Cos the transphobic label didn't make 'em hush.
Scrabbling around to link the far right
When everybody knows thats a load of old shite.
Biology dictates that a male with a phallus
Can never act-u-ally ever be an 'Alice'.
Women just want to feel safe and protected
In spaces for WOMEN. Instead of detecting
An unexpected penis in the bagging area;
Getting wrongly accused of hysteria.
Young girls and women want privacy to pee,
Wash blood off their hands and cry if they need.
I'm miscarrying, but if I tried to inform ya,
I'd only be told I shouldn't weaponise my trauma.
We're not bigoted for not inviting assault
So instead of tantrumming coz you think we're at fault
Why not lobby for tert-i-ary spaces
For folks whose gender ain't in homeostasis?
It's the obvious solution, and its plain to see,
But "No" you stomp, "that doesn't validate ME"!

Very good

yours was a good attempt ministry but i think on occasion your fourth line was a little long and you got a little hung up on the author of the original song which wasn’t really the point