Women’s Equality Party votes for Self-ID

[AnonGCMum]

I gather from reading Twitter that the WEP has today voted to support self ID. I’ve looked, but I can’t find the text of the motion that was voted for. Has anyone seen it? I’ve seen Sophie Walker’s open letter asking members to vote against mobile.twitter.com/SophieRunning/status/1596036529209724929

More generally, is the WEP worth getting involved with? I like the idea of a feminist party but if they’re going down the self-ID/TWAW route then it’s not for me.

WEP is a totally lost cause. I wouldn't waste my money on subs to any party that asserts any man can be a woman if he simply says so. Utter madness. What is the point of then?

There was another silly motion about intersex people!

Recognise that sex is not a binary and that intersex people should be recognised in law

This was proposed by 20 TRA members.

Hiya.

I don't know about today's vote but yeah, right from the start pretty much they were TWAW, so there we go.

Here's a thread from 2017 where a bunch of us had that dawning realisation, sigh. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3089842-Womens-Equality-Party

But ‘intersex’ as a way to describe those with a DSD is considered insulting and outdated. As every human is either male or female, then that word others and dehumanises those with a DSD. Wonder who brought that motion as
bd why, as it’s not one anyone with a DSD would bring.

WEP is a private members club for earnest posh ladies that likes to cosplay as a political party. Even by the standards of the freemasons it is undemocratic and cliquey. Sandy T and Catherine M elected themselves leaders for life and they ignored the results of their own membership self-ID consultation. They didn't even want to have a conference for wider membership.

Mandu Reid got a whopping 0.8% of the vote share when she stood for Mayor this year, just behind Count Binface.

My thread from a couple of years ago gives some fairly recent context.

The Big Lie - how the WEP was always about gender rather than sex www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4058470-the-big-lie-how-the-wep-was-always-about-gender-rather-than-sex

I know the leader of my local branch is GC. I didn’t realise they were so out of step with the national party. I wonder if there are lots of branches similarly divorced from the leadership on this issue.

I wouldn’t expect anything else from them.

It was a 2 part motion saying the party wants to change the gra to self id, and also affirming single sex exceptions in the equality act. I don't know if the text will be public online yet (or if they get published at all). Some spoke to it being a compromise.

It was quite a big majority but only 130 something votes carried it because attendance at the conference, which was online, is tiny it seems. Some had obviously rejoined to vote for it.

It's simply a mechanism to get the stupid statement Recognise that sex is not a binary approved.

A trans branch manager was tweeting this week that "we all start with a vulva" to give you an idea of the clown world standards.They really are utter clowns. WEP is now two groups infighting about this topic and eff all else.

Ah, Maya has posted the motion twitter.com/MForstater/status/1596608382319968256

www.womensequality.org.uk/conference_2022_motions

They are all here.

i suspect the reason TRAs use ‘intersex’ is because they have leveraged the medical conditions as proof of sex not being binary.

Whereas Differences or Variations in sex development is more likely to be interpreted as different body characteristics within each sex but sex is binary.

Would I be right?

Yes that’s right. Some DSD only affect males and some only affect females. It’s what makes it so insulting to people with DSD. They are male or female, not some weird third sex.

Yes happy. You are right about the fact that most DSDs are sex specific and often have been described as upholding the concept of binary sex.

I have noticed TRAs have been very vocal about using the intersex term lately and ignoring the requests from the communities asking that other descriptors for the group of conditions are used. It is so noticeable that I realised that it is a tactic and not kindness. And wholly related to that leveraging attempt to make sex a spectrum.

Using DSD's to evidence the claim that sex is not binary is disgustingly exploitative and insensitive, not to mention inaccurate and anti scientific.

Are the WEP a completely integrity free zone?

I think those who believe they're doing {the gender ideology pseudoreligion's} Righteous Work would say that however fraudulent, cruel and dishonest the means, ultimately this is justified by the ends - I'm still unclear what their ends actually are though

This twitter thread is pretty illuminating twitter.com/LineyHunt/status/1596167011083595776
The tiny amount of women they still have engaged have voted for their own erasure. Bye, WEP, you were pointless when no one agreed what a woman was.

Agree with @Helleofabore, but I think it’s also that the term suggests that sex is a spectrum, with many points between fully male and fully female (TRAs don’t understand that a spectrum can have only 2 points, and latch onto, then misuse, terms that sound sciency).

Interesting that Stephen Fry in that recent interview referred to his many 'intersex friends' too

God, he’s a self-regarding twunt, and about 1/10th as clever as he thinks he is.

That’s generous @MissLucyEyelesbarrow id have said 1/100 th.

'Membership and local organisations

Reportedly, 1,300 people joined the party on the day that it opened up membership, which costs £4 per month.[18] In the first financial year, the party raised £512,219 in membership fees.[91] As of 13 October 2015, 65 local and regional Women's Equality Party groups had been founded,[29] and in July 2016 the party reported that it had 65,000 members.[92][93] The WEP was described as "the fastest growing political force in the UK" in a Daily Telegraph article on the party's campaigning for the May 2016 London mayoral election.[94] The party's membership reportedly grew from 25,000 to 55,000 in the month following the European Union membership referendum.[95] In September 2020, it was reported that the party's membership was 30,000.[2]'

This is from Wiki. Lots of varying reports of membership numbers, there.

Guardian article says 30k (Sept 2020)

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/17/womens-equality-party-runs-consultation-on-self-identification-for-trans-people

WEP website says 65k

www.womensequality.org.uk/faqs

I'm curious how many members there are, and if that number has risen or fallen in recent years.

WEP talks about the number of members and "supporters". A "supporter" is anyone that has ever given them an email address for any reason.

Branch officers have access to the database and can see the number of members (paying a sub) which is why we are seeing much lower numbers posted than the party wants to officially admit to.

Another group getting votes through on the basis that anyone with any questions, concerns, beliefs or opinions has long since left or been pushed out. Now this has bitten the Tavistock and is biting Mermaids, you'd think there'd be some reflection on this.