"Womens" Equality Party

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www.womensequality.org.uk/nov_17_statement

Have just put out a very confused statement.

"Women, as a class, are discriminated against and oppressed. There is a shared experience as a class but that discrimination and oppression will often express itself differently for cis women and trans women, just as other factors such as age, ethnicity, economic background and disability are likely to have an impact"

So TIMs are women.

"WE are committed to addressing the very real oppression of trans people as well as the social structures that oppress and sometimes erase cis women and damage all genders. Cis inclusivity must never mean trans exclusivity, nor vice versa"

But cis and trans are different categories that experience different issues...

As an aside, who is it they (I suspect) are about to throw under the bus?

And yet their timeline is all about the gender pay gap, and how universal credit impacts women more. Surely they are excluding TIMs from that analysis and not including them in the class "women".

I really don't understand who, or what they are for - do they?

How disappointing. Just shoot me now. We are never going to win.

And I've just read that they apparently have no official view on the proposed changes to the GRA

Maybe they should stop calling themselves the WEP?

What a pile of shite. They have no place using that party name.

Be interested to know their definition of ‘Women’.

Well to be fair, in theory, if a trans woman is able to pass for a cis woman surely she's likely to suffer a lot of the same discrimination ? I mean it's not like the kinds of people who routinely discriminate against women/harass women will be able to tell the difference? I'm not saying they are exactly the same of share all of the problems that cuswonen face because of their sex but they would still face gender related discrimination.

They should take a leaf out of the Greens & change their name to NMEP - non-man equality party.

I utterly reject the term CIS. i find it offensive.

I agree Queen. I would consider myself misgendered if anyone referred to me that way.

Don't they see that the word "woman" becomes meaningless when they use it to mean "anyone who feels they are a woman". Women are discriminated against because of their sex, not because of their gender identity.

I really don't understand who, or what they are for - do they?

I don't think so. Every time they've done a chat on MN they've just pissed more of us off.

Be interested to know their definition of ‘Women’

As I recall they were on for a webchat and failed to answer this question (and I think MNHQ had to tell us off?)

I had such high hopes. Was a founding member and everything

This is total bollocks. They have instantly alienated the VAST majority of women who will have never heard the term “cis” and even if they have, will have NO IDEA what the hell they are talking about. Pathetic.

I would never support a party that used the term Cis. It is offensive and utterly unnecessary.

I had such high hope too and feel very betrayed. Could never vote for them.

cis turns you into a sub-set.

sub-division, sub-category.

Where you were once a woman, you are now:

1 woman
1.1 transwoman
1.2 cis woman

I really do wonder what Sandy Toksvig makes of it all. It was her brain child and my gut tells me she’s gender critical

Sandi not Sandy

I don’t understand the problem? They’re still the Women’s Equality Party, they’re just explicitly including trans women in the definition (which they have since they were founded).

Quark - yes id love to know as well

I was a founding member too. Long since stopped my membership. 🙁

As I recall they were on for a webchat and failed to answer this question

Well, first there was the guest post thread debacle...

WEP tweeted in favour of violent trans criminal Tara Hudson going to a women's prison, seven-inch-surprise and all. When MN then published a guest post by Sandi Toksvig, a lot of gender-critical MNers asked about this.

Silence. Several days' worth.

Eventually, after some of us tweeted, Sophie Walker came on the thread, waffled on a bit about a woman being anybody who identifies as one & buggered off.