Women’s Equality Party votes for Self-ID

[AnonGCMum]

I gather from reading Twitter that the WEP has today voted to support self ID. I’ve looked, but I can’t find the text of the motion that was voted for. Has anyone seen it? I’ve seen Sophie Walker’s open letter asking members to vote against mobile.twitter.com/SophieRunning/status/1596036529209724929

More generally, is the WEP worth getting involved with? I like the idea of a feminist party but if they’re going down the self-ID/TWAW route then it’s not for me.

The accounts at companies house suggest there are about 10 000 members. They get £480 000+ in membership fees. There are different membership rates so you can't be sure how many people this represents but an average of £4 a month (ie between concession rates and normal rate) would make c10 000 members.

WEP are a complete irrelevance. If you claim you are fighting for the rights of women as a distinct sex class, but then include men in that class, then you have just destroyed your entire raison d'etre. You might as well have a party fighting for the rights of Black people, but which includes white people who pretend to be black.

To use the most obvious cliche, it's a case of turkeys voting for Christmas.

Thanks, Manderley. I got as far as checking the income from membership fees, but then read that one can give as much or as little as one wishes to be a member, and gave up!

I think the use of the shorthand "self-ID" has confused things.

I agree most people would support people being allowed to identify as they wish. The issue is when laws / other people have to affirm this identity.

People stop supporting self-ID when it means that a person becomes the opposite sex in law, or expects to be affirmed as the opposite sex by all.

Or even farmers joining the turkey representation party on the basis of the turkeys needing to be inclusive and not an echo chamber, and that some farmers feel turkeyish too, and then controlling and steering the vote for Christmas. Having forced out turkeys with inconvenient views and opinions who say so, to further stack the vote. And then saying 'look, this is what turkeys want!'.

This is an offensive remark. the fact that you try to bully those who point out that most people do not share your views does not make you any more correct.

it may mean that fewer people dare disagree on this board- which is why it is becoming the home of extremist bullies with increasing links to the far right

'Bully'? Do report. I don't think that will count.

'most people' - based on what evidence? We're hundreds of women here. Every survey comes back with a dominant no and doubt about this ideology.

'dare to disagree' - oh for goodness sake, go and read some threads, there's vigorous disagreement all over the place, plenty of people dare.

'extremist bullies' ... 'links to far right'... put the hyperbole and drama away. I should report that post for sweeping negative generalisations but I'd rather nonsense like this stays in sight and is addressed.

Most women here are left voting. Many are homosexual. Women wanting equality, access and to retain their sex based rights to ensure these two things, are neither 'extremists' nor showing symptoms of any political field. The far right and the far left have much in common in authoritarianism and in a belief that females shouldn't be equal to males: you'll find very little evidence of any such views anywhere on FWR.

Considerable minority?
Like the 0.8% vote share WEP got in the London Mayor election this year.

You made a point? Where?

It was our culture in microcosm wasn't it. Women overjoyed to come together yo campaign for our rights. Overtaken by vain ignorant men in dresses who kill the dream pitting woman against woman until the bitter end the commanders wives and aunts have no more underlings to torture.

Sickening.

Can you please provide evidence that mumsnetters are making alliances with the far right? I'm sick to the back teeth of this accusation. Many women you find here are left-leaning, having had jobs in the public Sector and caring professions, mothers (obviously), women who know vulnerable women who need single sex spaces etc etc. I have only ever up to 2019 voted for Labour but now I don't know because I don't want self-ID. I have been posting on these forums for 15 years and see no evidence of aligning with the far right.

Projection.
Misrepresentation.
Citation needed.
Argument from popularity
Ad hominem

What a lovely collection of logical fallacies you have there. Are you teaching debate class?

I don't think I would be using 138 TRA voters from the dregs of the doomed WEP to criticise anything else as too small to matter!

Lorna Slater of the Scottish Greens tried to claim that the 'far right' were funding Scottish feminist groups -

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20059603.lorna-slater-criticised-comparing-gra-critics-racists/

Absolute nonsense, of course.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-cannot-back-up-26961353

The TRA tactic of throwing enough mud in the hope it sticks is tiresome and utterly predictable.

Using Bunbury and going back to the WEP, they are absolutely pointless. Loads of women joined in the beginning and have since left. Good point by a pp that they should be renamed the Feminine Equality Party.

It doesn't matter how many times people repeat the lie that women are 'in alliance with the far right'; it doesn't make it any less of a lie.

Your comments have certainly cheered me up as I like the bizarre & unusual. 😂

According to opinion polls most people in theUK-support Self ID-This little group on Mumsnet are outliers.

Its baffling why you would spend so much time on here arguing with a minority opinion. If is only about eight dinosaurs in an echo chamber, why not just let us natter among ourselves?

TRA need to refere to people with DSD as 'intersex' because otherwise LGBTQI+ would be LGBTQDSD+, and that would look silly.

Re WEP membership, it wouldnt shock me if the membership skews more on the wealthy side, so the average membership paid might be higher than £4 per month. Making total number of members closer to 6k (that ive heard, too) than 10k.

Its odd for a small, one issue party to be indistinguishable from most other main parties on the one issue they are running on. It seems a bit pointless?

Telling lies about women, has an old, old history.

How can they, in all honesty, call it Women's Equality Party, when the focus is now very definitely on men?

Spit. Just another load of Aunt Lydias. Keep the women in line with what men want. Spit.

However the vote in the Women's Equality Party on gender self ID was broadly in line with opinion polls.

Most people believe in it.

No it isn't. They don't, because they consistently are opposed to legal sex change being made any easier, in males in women's sports and in women's toilets and changing rooms, unless they've had genital surgery.

So if you could stop fibbing, that would be nice.

The vote in the "Women's Equality Party" is completely irrelevant, since it is now just another men's resource.

Any "women's" anything gets targetted and cuckoos place themselves.

Just read some of the threads on here.