Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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Crowdfunding for court cases isn't a purely altruistic activity though. It's not all done for the good of others. The person that sets it up gets some personal benefit so I can't see how it's any different.

KJK sells t-shirts to fund travelling around and setting up meetings, so if she makes enough money to consider it a job, good for her. She's not asking for charity or for anyone else to fund her.

There are plenty of others on Twitter that are selling GC-related merch and I don't see the nasty little digs at them.
Don't try to pretend mentioning t-shirts isn't a dig either, because it obviously is. It's also what a lot of TRAs accuse her of.

Thanks boiled.

Yes. To skite is to boast.

To sticky beak is more accurately to put your nose in where it is not wanted or expected - echidna style. But often also to go and have a look. Or a ‘sticky’. Ie. I am going to have a sticky over there to see what they are up to.

It's also what a lot of TRAs accuse her of.

Not just TRAs though, of course. It is used in a derogatory way by feminists on other social media platforms about her too.

KJK sells t-shirts to fund travelling around and setting up meetings, so if she makes enough money to consider it a job, good for her. She's not asking for charity or for anyone else to fund her.

It's as if @SapphosRock is implying she sells t-shirts in order to fund a luxury lifestyle yachting round the world or something. As opposed to using the money to go and get screamed at and threatened by TRAs in the middle of the street in strange cities, whilst attempting to give a platform to other women. The fucking disconnect between this fantasy and the reality is laughable and desperate.

To me, 'to skite' is to dramatically fall over - 'I went skiting over on the ice' (SE Scotland)

This link was posted last time KJK was threatened with arrest.
It’s American law covered, but it discusses the dangers of a voluntary interview when you think “I’ve done nothing wrong so I’ll go along to clear my name”.

Remember the police are very experienced at interviewing suspects. You are not experienced at being interviewed. It is also likely you are not legally trained and do not know every detail of the law and may not realise what you inadvertently could admit to while under pressure.

Some women here have interacted with you in the past, Sappho, and possibly in other names you've used. They are not necessarily going to see you, someone they've had run ins with here when their views (which have always had a particularly Mumsnet flavour, rather than eg that of other platforms like Facebook and Twitter) have been consistent for several years, and yours were more TRA-adjacent, as the second coming of gender critical feminism. While the Brighton court case is important and has widespread support, I think deliberately divisive and petty actions are counterproductive if you want to engage people.

I just looked it up and that is the second meaning waitwhat. I never knew there was another meaning. This is interesting indeed.

Didn't Dennis Kavanagh recently do a primer here on Mumsnet somewhere about what too do if the police come calling?

Thank God for Posie Parker and women like her who are actually doing this shit. I'm not going to tell her or any other woman that they're doing it wrong - the fact that they're doing it is EVERYTHING.

@beastlyslumber well put. I'm in awe of those women who are out there putting their face to this. And if one woman has to sell t shirts to fund her efforts, then so be it. And if at the end of the day she ends up with some profit in her pocket then she will have more than earned it.

Dennis posted a video in AMA about arrest

www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4647904-web-chat-suggestion-qc-on-rights-when-approaching-or-being-approached-by-police?page=5

www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4667316-short-video-on-legal-characteristics-of-arrest-criminalcivil-law

Thousands of women in Sussex.

And it is vital and imperative that it happens.

Why can't Kellie Jay's efforts be directed to general raising of conversations and awareness that then feed into to the support these female single sex spaces need to be either created or to be maintained?

Why has this been positioned as an either / or situation?

That is what I cannot work out. This doesn't happen in other categories or sectors. Movements can work together, be integrated somehow, or simply toward a common goal.

I believe that the Brighton Feminists have determined that they never want to be associated with Standing for Women from the vitriol posted by some of their members on other sites. If this is NOT true, then I believe someone needs to make that clear.

So. Leave Standing for Women alone and let Brighton Feminists do their own thing. They cannot have it both ways, and I am sorry, any group that has left that sin page up on their web site has made it clear by now what they think of women who don't fit 100% into what that group want.

Women are not a resource to be tapped into to fund things when a group needs it and then demonised and diminished when they are no longer needed. And if this was not what that group intended, then maybe they need to think what their intentions are in leaving that page up.

But I know I am not alone in beginning to feel like a resource to be tapped.

Why can't Kellie Jay's efforts be directed to general raising of conversations and awareness that then feed into to the support these female single sex spaces need to be either created or to be maintained?

I agree it's a real shame that nothing positive has come out of the event.

I agree it's a real shame that nothing positive has come out of the event.

For your group, you mean?

For your group who posted a sub page on their site, you mean? Why do you expect that your group or the aims of your group to have been benefited by her visit when there was no proactive interaction with your group?

Isn’t that childish in thinking something should benefit your specific needs when you (general you here) have declined to interact positively with the person you are expecting to deliver those benefits?

I see you continue to ignore the sin page and what it stands for for others. Not sure how you are dealing with that dissonance there.

Skite is different in Scotland!

'SKITE
v
dart, shoot through the air, fall or be driven in a slanting direction'

www.scotslanguage.com/articles/view/id/3196

Fucksake, I am catching up, I promise ...

They probably have similar roots somehow. In a way somehow long ago ….

Standing ovation 👏

Come on. This is TRA-level input, Sappho. You don't have a genuine greivance against KJK, you just don't like her. Why? Because she's effective? Because she's blonde? Who knows. But you need to stop monstering her if you ever want anyone to take you seriously again.

We are in agreement Helleofabore

This is a win for KJK. This is not a win for Brighton women.

It's not a criticism, it's an observation.

Do you realise how minimising that is of the women who were emboldened to speak up at the Brighton event?

Do you not view women voicing their experiences (and, heaven forbid, their opinions) as positive or important?

Those women you minimise are the ones who'll be donating to your local crowdfunder. I really hope 'Sarah' is checking the credentials of donors.

Thanks @DameMaud I'll check the other thread out.

Isn’t that childish in thinking something should benefit your specific needs when you (general you here) have declined to interact positively with the person you are expecting to deliver those benefits?

KJK is their mum.

When dealing with the Woke, the main danger is being put into the "Mum" category. Being merely a "Bad Person" isn't so bad, until they start getting demanding because you're "Bad Mummy". Their ideal is the "Good Mummy" who gives them everything they want and never asks for anything in return, who is always there and has no needs of her own.

Seeing a bunch of "feminists" fully embracing this Woke mindset is quite something. I know people like James Lindsay are quite adamant that all of this did first take root in academic feminism, but I didn't really believe it...

@SapphosRock
If KJK is arrested over this issue there is likely to be considerable media interest. The Brighton SFW event will be discussed, along with attendant video footage.

This is an ideal opportunity for your group to publicise what is happening to women's safe spaces in the Brighton area. That is what KJK does; she gives women a platform.

If you really cannot recognise and capitalise on this then I don't think anyone can help you.