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Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/11/2022 19:02

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Waitwhat23 · 22/11/2022 10:49

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 10:26

Oops. Sorry. I thought it was an English term.

It not only refers to people speaking in public to promote something, it is also a reference to people who stand in front of a store to encourage people to go into the store/club/restaurant or at exhibitions to promote something with a loud speaker etc.

It is the meaning of someone yelling into the area in front of their stall trying to get you to come over and buy a t-shirt at the local markets that I was referring to. That type of spruiking.

No, it was interesting to read about! And I get what you mean - the kind of '3 for a fiver!' cry.

OmiOmy · 22/11/2022 10:51

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/11/2022 10:30

I’m scratching my head about why viewers of a right wing website hearing Helen Saxby’s words is a bad thing

one of the good things about this shit show has been men who I would frankly have previously characterised as dick heads (looking at you Brendan O’Neil) become aware that yes, actually, women are still penalised just for being women, and no, that isn’t fair

right wing people hearing sound feminist logic is a good thing, no?

Agreed. These right wing men and women watching (a few hundred at the time, haven't checked since) heartfelt words and anger from mostly left leaning women would have probably broken them out of their right-wing bubble for a bit? One hopes maybe even some sympathy?

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 10:54

No, it was interesting to read about! And I get what you mean - the kind of '3 for a fiver!' cry

yes. That is the one. The word can be more nuanced obviously, but that is the usage I was thinking of.

Who knew that I would introduce a word to the thread?

Now THAT is something I can skite about !!! [walks off whistling]

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/11/2022 10:55

A guide to voluntary police interviews

www.noblesolicitors.co.uk/about/a-guide-to-voluntary-police-interview.html

Aquivers · 22/11/2022 10:55

This is not how policing works (Brighton police). They need to gather evidence. They obviously don't have any/enough. If they want to question PP about something they should be asking her local police force to go and question her under caution. She doesn't have to reply to anything under caution.

Back to the police (Brighton) not having evidence.

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 10:57

Speaking of t-shirts, I might go and have a stickybeak at what she has on her store for Christmas.

OmiOmy · 22/11/2022 10:57

And one more thing.

If you want people to hear about your campaign or your words etc. you want to reach a wide as audience as possible, right? Especially, people who don't understand the issues or are not aware of it.

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 10:59

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 22/11/2022 10:20

Selling t-shirts to fund your activities = bad
Setting up crowdfunding and accepting charity/donations = good

Someone explain the difference, please?

Selling t-shirts to fund your activities = direct benefit to KJK

Setting up crowdfunding and accepting charity/donations = direct benefit to all women and girls

That is the difference.

For the record I never said there is anything bad about selling teeshirts, KJK seems pretty good at it.

OmiOmy · 22/11/2022 10:59

Hellofabore

How would you even pronounce it?

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 11:02

sprew-king

Or was it Skite (that is just like kite with an 's') and sticky beak.... that one is easy.

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 11:04

Selling t-shirts to fund your activities = direct benefit to KJK

Why? Why is it a direct benefit to KJK?

Setting up crowdfunding and accepting charity/donations = direct benefit to all women and girls

How is crowdfunding for a court case more beneficial than KJK's actions? And really, crowdfunding for a court case directly benefits that person because they don't have to fund it from their own pocket?

What is the difference really? I am not seeing it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2022 11:04

For some reason I always thought it was sproy-king.

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 11:06

How is crowdfunding for a court case more beneficial than KJK's actions? And really, crowdfunding for a court case directly benefits that person because they don't have to fund it from their own pocket?

The court case is to secure a female only refuge in Sussex which will benefit thousands of women.

BellaAmorosa · 22/11/2022 11:07

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 10:59

Selling t-shirts to fund your activities = direct benefit to KJK

Setting up crowdfunding and accepting charity/donations = direct benefit to all women and girls

That is the difference.

For the record I never said there is anything bad about selling teeshirts, KJK seems pretty good at it.

No, @SapphosRock
This is not worthy of you.

I saw a tweet about the issues women like you seem to have with KJK that was along the lines of "they're just jealous of the impact she is having" and I thought to myself, how ridiculous, that can't be the reason. But you are starting to convince me that it is.

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 11:09

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 11:06

How is crowdfunding for a court case more beneficial than KJK's actions? And really, crowdfunding for a court case directly benefits that person because they don't have to fund it from their own pocket?

The court case is to secure a female only refuge in Sussex which will benefit thousands of women.

It could be seen as being largely of benefit to the person taking the case to court though.

It is all about whether you choose to take a 'good faith' or 'bad faith' view of it.

So please clarify Selling t-shirts to fund your activities = direct benefit to KJK by comparison. Or are you only going to take a bad faith view of why she sells t-shirts and not look at what she does with the money.

BellaAmorosa · 22/11/2022 11:10

And taking back our language is fundamental to the fight for women's single sex spaces, sports, and services. How can you not see that, @SapphosRock ?

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 11:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2022 11:04

For some reason I always thought it was sproy-king.

Yeah? nah.... maybe it is just my accent....

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2022 11:15

The court case is to secure a female only refuge in Sussex which will benefit thousands of women.

Yes. It's an important case. And KJ is frequently interviewed by the media. She could maybe publicise it if you approached her.

beastlyslumber · 22/11/2022 11:18

Look, you do realise KJK doesn't have to do any of this shit? She doesn't have to put herself at risk of violence, have her children threatened, get abused by randoms on the internet, get arrested and harassed by the police. She also doesn't have to spend all her time running a small business to raise money that goes to her events and causes. I'm not doing any of that shit - I think I'm great just for wearing a t-shirt that says 'woman' on it and donating money to whatever fundraisers I can. Thank God for Posie Parker and women like her who are actually doing this shit. I'm not going to tell her or any other woman that they're doing it wrong - the fact that they're doing it is EVERYTHING.

It's TerfTalk tonight - it's completely free to call from anywhere in the world and you can say what you like to KJK and the thousands of people watching. Why don't you call up and ask her what she does with the money from her business and ask her to support your campaign in Brighton? Go on, have your say, instead of bitching about her where she can't respond.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 22/11/2022 11:21

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 10:59

Selling t-shirts to fund your activities = direct benefit to KJK

Setting up crowdfunding and accepting charity/donations = direct benefit to all women and girls

That is the difference.

For the record I never said there is anything bad about selling teeshirts, KJK seems pretty good at it.

Many many women have said that wearing the T shirt has empowered them and allowed them to protest in a way they are not otherwise able to, as well as connecting them to other women, who see it and don't feel alone. That's literally what "be the billboard" is all about. KJK is not selling t-shirts with her face on, is she, ffs.

Are you sure you're not still a TRA?

beastlyslumber · 22/11/2022 11:22

KJK is not selling t-shirts with her face on, is she, ffs.

No, but I bet in 100 years time there'll be t-shirts/statues/barbie dolls to celebrate one of the women who gained back our rights.

Yarnival · 22/11/2022 11:25

SapphosRock · 22/11/2022 11:06

How is crowdfunding for a court case more beneficial than KJK's actions? And really, crowdfunding for a court case directly benefits that person because they don't have to fund it from their own pocket?

The court case is to secure a female only refuge in Sussex which will benefit thousands of women.

What case is that?

I thought the 'Sarah' Sussex case was for single sex groupwork.

And that case might benefit women in Sussex but I'm not sure how without a JR (of the LAs who are putting in place SLAs which don't specify women only provision) this will have any broad impact.

But, ultimately, why does it have to be a competition for who's the best activist/feminist/whatever? You do you.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 22/11/2022 11:26

Could it be pure envy because KJK really does have it all?

She's got the looks and the style. Her looks don't own her and don't oppress her. Whatever the head girls might think of her, her ease with her self attracts others, especially ordinary women who are just like her, ordinary soccer mom types. She gives them a voice in "feminism" they didn't have before. She attracts the TV producers, who like the way she looks but take her words seriously.

She works for herself and her work is serious work. She's a cottage industry working for and with other women, not the patriarchy. She's not dependent on academic grants committees and speaking gigs and the rest. She doesn't need to pander.

She's got charm, spark, energy radiates from her and she thinks on her feet, coming ups with inspirational soundbites like "I'm not a vet...." off the cuff. She doesn't do bad interviews, she doesn't struggle to get her message across or connect.

She's connected across the country, across the continents, with women from all different backgrounds. Her reach is unprecedented for a modern day, grounds roots, women based movement.

She's bloody brave and doesn't care who tells her to shut up. She won't be cowed, won't be resigning, won't be pandering or apologising or compromising.

She has a great private live. A husband and kids and lovely, comfortable life style. She wasn't born to this, she's achieved it with her husband, working in a partnership as many SAHMs do (and who suffer feminist vilification for so doing). Her husband doesn't control her. They are clearly a very tight unit and adore one another. If the GC stuff goes poof tomorrow, she can retreat back into a lovely life she built with her husband.

I bet the TRAs all want to be her. I bet she's their number 1 fantasy.

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 11:29

it's completely free to call from anywhere in the world

Yes. T-shirts pay for those calls. it is great to hear from women all around the world to hear what they are doing, or what the issues are for them.

t-shirts spreading a whole lot of communication power.

Boiledbeetle · 22/11/2022 11:30

Helleofabore · 22/11/2022 10:54

No, it was interesting to read about! And I get what you mean - the kind of '3 for a fiver!' cry

yes. That is the one. The word can be more nuanced obviously, but that is the usage I was thinking of.

Who knew that I would introduce a word to the thread?

Now THAT is something I can skite about !!! [walks off whistling]

So are you boasting? Or about to drink a bottle of Scotch 😜

Keep up the good work @Helleofabore , both with the informative posts and the new words. You could do a feature a new word a day. You know you want to.

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