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Here we go again! Brighton Police want to interview KJK about a hate crime.

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ScreamingMeMe · 21/11/2022 19:02

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IwantToRetire · 24/11/2022 16:39

Some asked about the fund raiser set up by the ad hoc group that organised the Sarah Everard vigil. Reclaim the Streets.

They later said any money collected would have to go to trans inclusive groups. There was a lot of hositle reaction to this. The side stepped the issue and said the Rosa would handle how the money was to be given out. rosauk.org/2021/03/19/rosa-and-reclaim-these-streets-announcement/

Haven't got time to check who the first lot of money went to but this is a PR about a 2nd round of funding rosauk.org/2022/11/16/stand-with-us-fund-announcement/

Sisters Uncut were never part of fundraising but were the group who arrived with loud hailers and placards which both Sarah Everard's family and the organisers had specifically requested no one should do, which is why are a day of peaceful and respectful observance violence broke out in the evening.

In incouraging those attending to crown foward towards the bandstand they created a dangerous situation where there could have been people crushed etc..

However it got what they, Sisters Uncut, wanted which was police intervention. And (I think there was a thread about this on here) if you dont comply with a police request to move on you face being arrested. Although it gives you huge opportunities by going floppy, being carried off and ideally getting your photo taken. ie Sisters Uncut are the SWP of feminism.

And it also got what they wanted which was to change the dialogue from being about male violence against women to being a dialogue about police violence.

What was so strange was how the MSM lapped it up. It seems once the MSM have decided what a photo portrays they then make it the "truth". A bit like the picture which showed mothers pushing hamburgers through a school fence for their children. This was written up as being local people objecting to cooked meals being provided at lunch time. But in fact what it was about was the fact that the school was not set up to provide cooked meals, but attempted to do it which resulted in large numbers of pupils not getting any food at all. Everytime I hear this story repeated I get quite angry as the implication is the the problem in uneducated white women foing feral.

Helleofabore · 24/11/2022 16:39

Hence the distraction with 'sperm donor' being deployed.

And again, I feel I have to make a clear disclaimer that sperm donation is not harmful to female bodies as such and those children born by sperm donation face other issues that if the family are aware of them and work with their children when needed, it is not like 'egg donation'. ie. sperm donation does not exploit female bodies.

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 16:40

Helleofabore I think you should start a separate thread about egg donation

Boiledbeetle · 24/11/2022 16:43

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 16:21

Quite right, none of this is KJK's fault, it's just an unfortunate consequence of her rally.

I have really tried to labour the point that I am not criticising or blaming her, I'm obviously doing a crap job of it 🙈

Yeah you are. Please, just stop digging, otherwise there isn't going to be a ladder looking enough for you to climb out of the hole you're in. Because it has come across all the way through your posts that you are blaming her, you are criticising her and you are saying everything that happens is all her fault.

Boiledbeetle · 24/11/2022 16:43

Or even a ladder long enough

Yarnival · 24/11/2022 16:52

I think we need a special set of rules for all the things K-J can be blamed for.

Posie is responsible for what men do.

Posie saying no to men is a hate crime.

Posie speaking for herself is exclusionary and selfish.

And so on.

Helleofabore · 24/11/2022 16:56

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 16:40

Helleofabore I think you should start a separate thread about egg donation

Not necessary. It is discussed a lot on FWR, as is surrogacy.

The point I feel I have to keep making Sappho is the complete hypocrisy of this repeating of this claim that KJK is homophobic and showing hatred towards women through extreme bad faith interpretation.

That is the point.

Those extremely bad faith interpretations seem to be all pervasive in any dealing that Brighton Feminists have with Kellie Jay Keen.

Just to recap:

Racist
Islamophobic
Homophobic
Hateful to women and men who use egg donors
Calling for guns in women's toilets
working with the far right
not doing anything for Brighton women directly

and now indirectly making her and the rally she organised responsible for hate mail and threats to others.

Have I missed anything ?

Boiledbeetle · 24/11/2022 16:59

@Helleofabore "have I missed anything?"

Probably.😉

MoirasSaggyBundles · 24/11/2022 17:00

She made all he milk in Brighton go sour, I'm sure, and the crops to fail.

Tallisker · 24/11/2022 17:02

She made the beach all horrid and stony

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 24/11/2022 17:04

One of my favourite tweets ever was a cross TRA after London Pride a few years ago. Apparently there were a lot of stickers along the route & this went along the lines of ‘I pulled one of those Posie Parker stickers down & it STARTED TO RAIN!!!!!’

Since I was going into my Central London office daily in those days & being driven to distraction by all the rainbow paraphernalia, that cheered me right up.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 24/11/2022 17:04

She burned the pier and drove up house prices with her blondness.

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 17:04

Tallisker · 24/11/2022 17:02

She made the beach all horrid and stony

😂

IwantToRetire · 24/11/2022 17:16

One can only wonder at the fear and trembling in London as the next Let Women Speak event takes place there on sunday twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1595044744815673344

I wonder if this should be a new thread to let others know they can come and speak and not worry that you aren't toeing the party line.

Although undercover agents from WPUK, AGCL, BWLC & FiLia may all be there to help build up their files of wrong doing by other women. So be warned.

BellaAmorosa · 24/11/2022 17:17

TinselAngel · 24/11/2022 15:49

I think the reason that KJK annoys some people so much is because her tactic of enabling the TRAs to show how bonkers and out of control they are, is so successful.

This leads some people to fear that the ensuing sunlight is making a polite accommodation with their TRA friends impossible, because women will no longer accept it.

Interesting, @TinselAngel. I hadn't thought of that possibility.

Moonatics · 24/11/2022 17:18

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 12:07

Local groups could have taken part and shaped the speeches, they could have had signage that brought attention to local issues. They could have had petitions out ready to sign. They could have done so many pro-active things.

Yes of course, but KJK's alignment with far right groups and her comments on Muslims, abortion rights and donor conception makes that untenable. Local feminists do not want to be associated with those views. You may think that is arrogant of them, but that's the way it is. Some women have boundaries.

Tbh I am finding the constant whining that local feminists didn't support KJK tiring. It's no secret that she has controversial views, she has been banned from Mumsnet because of them.

Isnt this just heads I win, tails you lose?

Because all I can see is, shes awful for not promoting anything in Brighton, but we wouldnt want her to anyway cos alignments she has said things we dont like and been seen talking to far right persons.

She cant win whatever she does, so why would she try specifically with Brighton feminists? She did her bit for Brighton in general by organising this event, she cannot make people come to it or speak at it, but neither does she stop them.

Helleofabore · 24/11/2022 17:22

Boiledbeetle · 24/11/2022 16:59

@Helleofabore "have I missed anything?"

Probably.😉

I feel that I do ask that often lately , boiled 😁

Floisme · 24/11/2022 17:37

She cant win whatever she does, so why would she try specifically with Brighton feminists?

I think she did try. Didn't she write to some local feminists, including Jane Clare Jones, inviting them to the event? I'm pretty sure I remember Jane Clare Jones tweeting something along the lines of 'We didn't want to go..... we felt coerced...' Which is fair enough but, if that's the case, don't complain if you didn't get exactly the kind of coverage you'd have liked.

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 24/11/2022 17:43

I think I remember that. It was very gracious of Posie.

Feministwoman · 24/11/2022 17:49

pattihews · 24/11/2022 16:00

That video has been very heavily edited with one-sided narrative sections in an attempt to create an impression that doesn't reflect the reality of the situation as it unfolded and gives you nothing of the background of the people involved.

Don't just look at the video. Check out the people behind it and ask yourself why they might have created and released it. You can start by googling Kitten Pinder, who had had a similar meltdown at a previous Filia conference.

Hannah Berrelli, in the red t-shirt, has since been thrown out of Lesbian Labour.

Oh, don't worry, I wasn't going to just blindly accept that video!

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 18:10

I have been thinking about the comments on this thread and it has reminded me of a time KJK was helpful to women in Brighton. She gave publicity to this vegan cafe when the owner was being bullied by TRAs and stuck up for her online.

Nothing is black and white, that was a really decent thing for her to do, I was appreciative of KJK's actions back then and still am.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4051558-Brighton-TRAs-bullying-female-small-business-owner

pattihews · 24/11/2022 18:21

IwantToRetire · 24/11/2022 17:16

One can only wonder at the fear and trembling in London as the next Let Women Speak event takes place there on sunday twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1595044744815673344

I wonder if this should be a new thread to let others know they can come and speak and not worry that you aren't toeing the party line.

Although undercover agents from WPUK, AGCL, BWLC & FiLia may all be there to help build up their files of wrong doing by other women. So be warned.

Why do you include Filia in that list? Filia doesn't get involved in any of it and doesn't take sides. There were loads of women wearing SFW merchandise at Filia this year and if anyone had a problem with it I didn't hear a peep about it.

Filia's a good thing, please let's not start undermining it.

Feministwoman · 24/11/2022 18:25

pattihews · 24/11/2022 18:21

Why do you include Filia in that list? Filia doesn't get involved in any of it and doesn't take sides. There were loads of women wearing SFW merchandise at Filia this year and if anyone had a problem with it I didn't hear a peep about it.

Filia's a good thing, please let's not start undermining it.

Yes, It's bad enough reading all the KJKM bashing on this thread, the whiff of FiLiA bashing is also unpleasant

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 18:47

I don't know what the middle two acronyms stand for but neither WPUK or Filia deserve a bashing.

Feministwoman · 24/11/2022 19:02

SapphosRock · 24/11/2022 18:47

I don't know what the middle two acronyms stand for but neither WPUK or Filia deserve a bashing.

Nor does KJK!

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