The police

[BlackForestCake]

I was just thinking that the GC analysis is the only one that can explain the behaviour of police forces up and down the country.

The liberal position is “It’s awful that the police are institutionally racist and misogynist, but it’s great that they stand up for LGBTQ+ people!”

No. The promotion of trans ideology is part of the misogyny.

Bearyhumcrack
Felix, go fuck yourself you sanctimonious prick.

Ah, the old 'ad hominem' argument

Well, complain or don't complain. Go through a solicitor or don't. I have said how it should be being dealt with and how your harassment investigation can run alongside the other. Its up to you really.

IcakethereforeIam
But, wah, wah, wah, what if we ignore him and a fairy dies?
It depends what we are ignoring - what is his actual complaint?
No one on here seems to know - so how can we judge?

Thank you Felix125 for continuing in this thread- it is being very informative with regards to police processes and considerations. Clearly you can’t comment on cases for which you are not party to all the information and equally you are not responsible for individual failings within the force.
Clearly some police forces are not beyond criticism, and things are not always fair but due process must be followed to negate the risk of trials collapsing/ things being missed etc

keep it up

Snortlaugh

Still, can tell you're not a sock because yourself writes differently.

Tut, still can't read you Feels! Stopped trying tbh.

OldJeans
Exactly - due process, the back bone of all legal processes we have. Either criminal or civil.

IcakethereforeIam
Its alright - I just take it you can't answer the points raised in the argument.

Feels, just stop it.

God, you’ve got to wonder at this point what this person thinks this is achieving

I would say they seem to have achieved their aim of preventing women having a conversation about their concerns with the police and judiciary. If anybody is in any doubt about this person's aims and their complete disregard for women as living/feeling humans have a look at the rape thread in feminist chat.

But stopping people saying the police are shit doesn’t prevent the police from actually being shit

in fact stopping people from talking about problems with an institution reduce the likelihood of those problems being sorted to zero

I guess the point is not to improve the police in any way, and not even to make people think better of the police. Simply to make it hard to talk about them

Perhaps they should read back their own posts, God knows someone should (just not me), then try answering their own questions.

Oh look at that. Welcome to Mumsnet @OldJeans

that’s myself welcoming yourself

Agree with all of this.

Could you please link the thread you mean?

Is it this one? Man alive the defensiveness and insensitivity.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4660589-waiting-for-police-to-attend-after-being-assaulted-by-my-ex

@Felix125 If you aren't deliberately here to goad women, I wish you'd be able to understand that you are entirely tone deaf.

I think you just enjoy winding women up and like the sound of your own "voice".

This was the worst one. Brave women sharing horrific stories.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4648441-a-list-of-seemingly-unbelievable-not-rapes-according-to-the-cps-and-juries
Felix has stated that he will post prolifically on any thread about the police so in order to have a Felix free discussion you'll have to resort to code words so he can't just search for a police thread to jump on

BTW that thread is really hard reading and I can imagine only more so if you have been affected by its subject matter.

Screaming I wish it was only that thread...the same behaviour plays out again and again in thread after thread. It's sickening.

Felix has been told over and over how tone deaf and insensitive his posts are. He does not care and definitely does not wish to engage constructively.

Believerinbiology
If this is a discussion forum, then questions need to be asked - sometimes hard questions - if you are wanting different outcomes then discuss the hard questions and the answers that go with it

The first re-posted thread "Waiting for police to attend after being assaulted by my ex...." concerns how police prioritise jobs and emergencies which are coming in. I have suggested in that thread (and in this) how they are graded with respect to threat, harm & risk. Its a tough call and i wish there was enough of us to get to all the jobs straight away - but there isn't. Demand outstrips resources all the time

Do you have any other ways to to do this - as I am all ears.

The second thread "A list of seemingly unbelievable not-rapes (according to the CPS and juries)" - discussed this for quite a few pages and discussed about the final decision process
What i am saying there, is that as the investigation goes on, you are always going to get the issues around consent. Now the police & CPS can authorise a charge, but the cases often fail at court. I'm suggesting do we remove the jury from the equation in the final decision making aspect?

Do you have a view on this?

What is tone deaf & insensitive about those questions?

And if its going to be discussed, then the questions need to be asked. And if you don't understand or agree then just ask - there might not be a right or wrong answer. But discuss it, as this is a discussion forum.

Unless you want me to come onto the discussions and just reply to everything with "Yes, I agree with you all and the police are really terrible at everything"

But that doesn't achieve anything.

IcakethereforeIam
Perhaps they should read back their own posts, God knows someone should (just not me), then try answering their own questions.
Its good if people could answer the questions I am posing, then perhaps we can move the discusion on.

HatThatWearsYou
I think you just enjoy winding women up and like the sound of your own "voice".
Not at all - these posts are asking questions - which I am trying to answer. And since I have been in the police for 20+ years I can give you an insight.

You may think we have thousands of emergency response cops just sitting around waiting for the next call - but this is not true.

You will be surprised that we run out of cops to even answer the emergency jobs coming in.

You will be surprised how many suicidal missing from homes & mental health concerns we have to deal with and how long they take

You will be surprised how many on-going inquiries each emergency cop has to carry with them day in day out - and has to fit these in among the emergency calls, missing from homes, mental health concerns etc etc

Mix all this into the pot, then you would understand why victims have to wait for a cop to attend. Why cops will look to vol interview people because its quicker and may prevent the person from going to court and negate having to put a case file together.

I have given advice to people in here about making a complaint about harassment. They suggested that their particular force could not investigate their harassment complaint whilst the first was being investigated. This is not true and a new investigation can run alongside it.

I suggested to complain. They then said they do not want to speak with that police force. I suggested to contact a solicitor in that case who would speak on your behalf.

Their reply to that was - "Felix, go fuck yourself you sanctimonious prick."

And I'm the one being insensitive, tone deaf and here to goad women...?

What part of the advice I gave there reflects that as being an approporate reponse?

Does it fucking occur to you, you insensitive fucking twerp, that the time for ‘explainy, me feel good like big man’ wasn’t that thread

God, I’ve just fully read your performance on that thread. Making it all about you, asking personal and inappropriate questions, zero sympathy

if you are a police officer, what a terrible one you must be

Yes I think it does. I think the inappropriateness is the point, I think he enjoys upsetting women.

He's been told numerous times, he understands perfectly and still comes back with word salad tennis return demanding now we answer his pointless navel gazey questions.

It's the talk over the women with walls of words tactic.

Felix125 You have a very distorted idea of the meaning and processes of 'discussion'. Demanding everyone on this board jumps to your tune by answering the 'largely irrelevant' questions you pose is not discussion.
You take a didactic stance claiming from what I can see a totally spurious authority. 20 years experience - so what rank are you? An experienced officer would not be behaving in the way you have. Why won't you disclose which force you work for? The police have quite rightly lost the respect and trust of women and all you can do is confirm their worst suspicions.
Please do not ask me a question - you are wasting my time.

Oh and the surprise new poster who thinks he’s doing a great job and would definitely like him to carry on. Don’t forget that

what a saddo