The police

[BlackForestCake]

I was just thinking that the GC analysis is the only one that can explain the behaviour of police forces up and down the country.

The liberal position is “It’s awful that the police are institutionally racist and misogynist, but it’s great that they stand up for LGBTQ+ people!”

No. The promotion of trans ideology is part of the misogyny.

*encountered that type of attitude often

HatThatWearsYou

Yes, you sometimes do - that's why it needs to be challenged when it happens.
Which is why I am suggesting to Bearyhumcrack that they complian.

In theory, it should not be able to happen - as if i try and close a crime enquiry off with no investigation, it will get kicked back to me either by my supervision, or crimes desk or the next rung up the ladder.

But obviously it does happen and people cut corners to give themselves an easy life

I don't want people in the police who are corrupt or fail to investigate or are lazy - that's why they need to be rooted out - and the best way to do that at present is to complain.

If the police have suggested that they can not investigate Bearyhumcrack's stalking complaint whilst the investigation is on going against Bearyhumcrack - then this is false. 2 investigations can run alongside each other.

This therefore needs to be questioned as its wrong to expect Bearyhumcrack to put up with more & more harassment against them without an investigation.

Felix I don't want to interact with you because I think you are trolling this topic.

You cannot simultaneously pretend to be an intelligent person and post in the way you do (articulate if overly word salad-y) while also failing to grasp the simple concepts you have repeatedly misinterpreted.

As I say I think you are a troll and I don't want to engage with you anymore, yes?

Hey hat

Not very often but there are lazy cops out there and also cops who rather than ask something they don't know will try to blag it or just plain get it wrong .
If I see it - I do call it .

HatThatWearsYou
if you don't agree with what i have written, then just say so. Either the argument's good or the argument is bad.

stillvicarinatutu
Would you agree with what I have written above?

Thank you, I appreciate your response.

Would you say IYO, that this attitude is something that you come across more often in recent years?

hat

I wouldn't say more prevalent- but I saw it more in response - where you are a Jack of all trades and master of none.

Plus as number's dwindled and officers crime lists grew there was always a pressure to "get rid" of jobs faster - sometimes just the pressure of having 33 criminal investigations in your list out you under that pressure because you know that every time you respond to a job you are potentially picking up another investigation. Response is fast paced and sometimes cops don't join the dots - we had 5 response teams so crimes can get scattered over different groups even if the victim is reporting something new instead of one officer dealing.

In other departments I saw that much less .

And yes Felix*

I concur. It's just hard is t it when you're the victim and just want something sorted out and keep getting no where . I don't know the details of bearys investigation.

Thinking on this I think I saw laziness and bias more back when I joined .

Women were not well represented in the force. And I overheard some stuff that made me cringe at times - from men and women . I think every team has a cop they could name who does as little as possible.

Public are more savvy at challenging things I think - which is good .

Interesting. I really, genuinely appreciate you taking the time to respond to my question @stillvicarinatutu so thank you for that.

No worries hat

I'll always answer any questions honestly from my experience. And I'm really happy to help with a bit of advice where I can , some of the stuff I've been reading has been a real eye opener that's for sure .

stillvicarinatutu
I don't know the details either - but if they complain, they will be told what the reasons are for closing the case and what enquiries have been done.

You're force is probably similar to us with closure codes and VCOP being at the top of the list if you're wanting to close an enquiry.

Yep Felix Vcop and an outcome code sent to Sgt, all enquiries documented on the enquiry log and justification for filing documented.
Exactly same.

The lure of brownie points, particularly Stonewall brownie points, seems very strong.

Policewoman is found guilty of gross misconduct for making up a story about transphobia in the workplace during a job interview for promotion

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11525223/Policewoman-guilty-gross-misconduct-making-story-transphobia.html

I mean the force and the question not the individual officer.

Agree, I think some in the police see it as easy brownie points.

I wonder if the officer on the interview board would have showed up to investigate a claim that she had challenged a sexist comment. I doubt it.

What an idiot thing to do . 27 years of unblemished service down the drain for the sake of failing an interview.

But yes I also wonder if they'd have looked deeper into it if she'd said she challenged something other than a comment on a transgender person.
With 27 years of service I'm pretty sure she could have thought of a real example.

That said - I do wonder how newsworthy someone lying in an interview is - I would imagine that plenty of people embellish their CV or take credit for something they shouldn't .

Lying in an interview is terrible - definitely don't condone it and we are held to higher standards (rightly so) but is it really newsworthy? I don't know . Interviewee gets caught out in interview....I do wonder how often that happens generally for any job ?
I've never lied in an interview and I wouldn't. I've had 3 interviews for internal positions, passed 2 but failed the one I really wanted . That's life . I wouldn't jeopardise an entire career . Stupid .

Part of the police code of ethics is honesty and integrity. That's at the heart of everything we do . Or should be .

Exactly - like I said above, I don't want to be part of a force which has corrupt people on it. They do need to be rooted out when they come across it.

Because no man would ever lie in an interview...

Crikey women say something in an interview and it gets investigated, have they ever done this with any men?

Women have to be pure whereas men can just say 'it's all just banter' and get away with pretty much everything including murder if they just say 'it was breath play gone wrong'.

We're fucked. Where you both pat yourselves on the back for rooting out the corruption.

If someone gets caught out for being corrupt - they should be gone, regardless of gender

SEX. Not gender.

If someone gets caught out for being corrupt - they should be gone, regardless of sex.

So we agree

Yet you cannot see the discrepancy.

Woman - makes one lie [which is not corruption, not by a long shot] and is immediately investigated and action taken. And you gloat about having cleaned out the corrupt officer.

Hundreds of police men meanwhile, harassing and raping colleagues and female victims and the crickets can't croak loud enough and meanwhile you guys are again, harping with glee about getting rid of a single female because of a single lie in an interview, as if nobody else ever lied in an interview.

It's no wonder people smack their heads against walls when trying to point out the incredible hypocracy.