Why? What is the endgame for TRAs

[Brefugee]

I keep wondering why this is all happening now. What was the actual trigger point of people like Nicola Sturgeon becoming so adamant that the rights of Trans people have to be promoted and fought for at this time?

Why is it desireable that GRCs be obtainable so quickly? Does it all go back to Foucault and his post-modernist cronies? What is it that Sturgeon and Trudeau and other governments who are falling over themselves to push a trans-agenda up to? what is in it for them?

To be clear: I'm not rabidly anti-trans and up to now it hasn't really impinged on my life in any other way (I did know two transwomen way back but have lost touch. I do know a couple of young transmen and they seem fine but i don't know them well). I am painfully aware, of course, that other people's lives are being hugely impacted by this (seemingly?) sudden surge in transwomen and am very keen, as a 2nd wave feminist, that women are protected and allowed to live their lives and achieve their full potential in any way they can/want to. (so I'm not TWAW - i'm in favour of either fully proper unisex spaces or 3rd spaces)

I just don't get why. Why now? Why Canada? Why Scotland? Why anywhere?

Stock's book is good but quite academic. I would suggest Trans by Helen Joyce is an easier introduction then go back to Stocks.

I'm ok with academic, thanks, but I'll try Trans too.

They are both excellent books but Joyce’s is one anyone can pick up and get a good understanding of the issues and Stock’s is perhaps aimed at people who already know and understand the issues and are on board from a feminist viewpoint (whereas some people are coming in from free speech or child protection angles).

I agree but they are both good books. In answer to your question, I am afraid it is a multi-stranded thing (with money in the mix there somewhere) but at least one of these multiple strands is pedophilia.
It happened before with PIE and the Labour party in the 1970s had a connection; but at the time (yes I am old) I couldn't or wouldn't believe such things of 'my' Labour Party.
I now vote Conservative. Some of their MPs were also captured by gender identity ideology in those cross party groups...hence Theresa May's gobsmacking quote 'Being trans is not a mental illness' Someone needs to follow the lobbyist money....I think the Tories maybe were less captured as they had more reliable funding sources than the left/Libdems and also because the ideology really strains many strands of traditional Conservative values.

The Green Party has form when it comes to taking liberal permissiveness too far - at great cost to the vulnerable

worldcrunch.com/culture-society/the-ugliest-open-secret-of-german-politics-pedophiles-in-the-green-party039s-past

The left are poor at engaging with when they've gotten things wrong. I doubt this will be any different. But the pendulum of public opinion is swinging back to greater sanity I think.

in terms of what they want? The eradication of biological sex as a key defining characteristic, to be replaced with their woolly definition of 'gender'. But too many eyes are being opened now. Too much sunlight.

Yes excellent post @KatMcBundleFace

Basically the barriers to entry are very low and there are lots of incentives to join… and lots of disincentives to leave.

In any disaster situation it’s always a combination of conspiring factors.

In any significant social change there need to be advocates from across the political spectrum.

So this is a perfect and disastrous storm.

I keep meaning to read Stock's book. As a philosopher, lesbian and clearly not one for kow-towing to the mob, I can only imagine how immensely frustrating this bollocks is for her. She's a legend for hanging in there.

In any significant social change there need to be advocates from across the political spectrum.

Its interesting to sit back and realise how many groups have things to gain from this.

However, I think the key strategic error the trans lobby have made us failing to keep LGB on board. Lesbians have woken up (mostly) and gay men are starting too.

one of the most (not the most, but pretty high on the list) in all this is how i can't now in good conscience vote for the greens (I'm in Germany - we're well along the path to Self ID)

Patrick Harvie of the Scottish Greens is the dictionary definition of 'misogyny' - he called women who won't bow down to this ideology 'domestic terrorists' during discussion of the Hate Crimes Bill in the Scottish Parliament. I'll never vote Green again.

I agree with this.

It’s like asking “what is the endgame for this red faced, angry toddler who is screaming for ice cream right now?”

That it’s proved to be a magnet for so many with their own agendas should have been obvious, but ICE CREAM NOW!

Apparantly the big money to be made in the pharmaceutical industry is from creating new medications that have never existed before.

How do you create a new medicine? You invest ALOT of money in R&D to cure dofficult diseases ( cancer cure) or a new illness appears.

Well, putting humans on cross sex hormones creates a whole new patient, with a whole new set of illnesses.... So many medicines to be made! It's an absolute cash cow.

That, and trans people need medication for life.

And that's before surgery cost. Apparantly surgery can go up to the $1,000,000. These are perfectly healthy people who may not have ever even needed minor surgery.

So there is ALOT of money to be made here, timatelt turning healthy humans into medically dependant beings.

For me, the only way a politician can barge through policies that are clearly unpopular and problematic is if they have been paid to do so.

Rest of my theory:

High profile AGPs who want to break down all boundaries for their own gains, regardless of damage done to others, in classic narcisstic fashion.

This is aided by young social justice warriors, who have been trapped inside for two years and have pent up anger, anger at our broken economy, out broken society, impending ecological collapse. This is a perfect wayto vent that fury, at who? MUMS. Cos it's always easy to take out angst at mums.

This is just MY theory.

Yes, Blessed, but this started getting crazy before lockdown and the roots formed yeeeears ago.

You reminded me of M. Rothblatt, who literally wrote the book on transhumanism. Bodies as meat lego to be crafted, swapped, upgraded, disposed of.

Throw into the mix the ever-increasing ratio of so-called left-wing teachers/lecturers/academics who have been promoting their views about boundary pushing/social justice/"the next civil rights movement" to children, teens and young adults for years. These young adults do/attempt to proselytize to their parents and then bring their views into the workplace where HR is full of acolytes who have gobbbled up the same ideology via their CIPD training and then roll it out to their companies/Gov departments/industry governing bodies/unions etc.

We really shouldn't underestimate the impact of the internet and smartphones, either. The book iGen by Jean Twenge is good on this, although it's very US-centric. I think it goes a long way to explaining why teens get sucked in.

I went past the window of H&M this evening - they were selling children's T shirts 'hear my voice' on them... I can't help thinking there's a lot of so call progressive posturing which isn't doing people or children much good.

Agreed.

Happy Kali Puja!

Good list! I too think that the reason is actually a combination of forces that have come together at just the right time to give this ideology a massive push.

I don't know where it is coming from but if you take the 'affirmation' approach to children declaring they are transgender and then medicalise them immediately (as Stonewall, TRAs, WPATH are advocating from what I can see), the logical conclusion is that lots of children will become sterile and will not be able to procreate as adults. Who wants this? Who benefits from this?
It smacks of eugenics given the high proportion of autistic/ADHD children coming forward. It is all very Hitlerian/Dr Mengele but done on the pretext of 'diversity and inclusion'.
Children across the world need protection from these unsavoury adults and greedy drugs companies/medics NOW.

Social media is THE tool being used. It doesn't just play 'a' part but it plays the entire part.

There is a fantastic documentary on Cambridge Analytica (called The Great Hack), a company who became excellent in using social media and algorithms to implant ideas in people's heads. The were able to charge HUGE money for their services, because they were so effective at what they did - manipulating society to believe something (Trump enployed them for his election campaign). As the documentary explains, in order for them to be able to charge vast sums they needed evidence that they were effective, and so they manipulated certain small countries andcreated civil unrest and then used the results as evidence for the service they could provide.

They have proved it is possible to make alot of money from swaying the publics beliefs.

So rather than blaming the internet, the question might be, who is using the internet to spread an ideology, and why?

And so I refer to my two previous suggestions: pharma & high profile transhumanists ( i dont want to use any other possibly more inflammatory words here in case i get deleted)

They have since closed down due to being unethical.... But where there is large money to be made, someone will step up ad take it. Im sure another company offers these services, or CA have got more stealthy.

Im sure transgender ideology is just the start of many new and increasingly bizarre social manipulations.

Think how effective nazism was, with so much less of a powerful medium by which to spread the propaganda. Now it can beam into people's heads, for hours upon hours a day.

These are just my personal opinions.

techcrunch.com/2020/09/25/cambridge-analyticas-former-boss-gets-7-year-ban-on-being-a-business-director/

My theory (in addition to the many excellent examples already given): The lack of affordable housing means many people aren’t on the housing ladder until 30s/40s so not part of geographical communities so much as online ones, and the birth rate is falling so they are not settling down and having their own families so much either. Eternal adolescence! Cancel culture and virtue signalling then become ways of having some sort of control/dominance on those perceived as being privileged in comparison.

It’s cultural revolution. Getting a whole bunch of kids to hate their “Karen” mothers so they can be castrated, mutilated, their boundaries eroded, women’s right taken away and with the added bonus that the youth are devoid of critical thought so that they blindly follow the lies of Sturgeon and her ilk while all of our public services are destroyed.

Its social collapse dressed up as cultural revolution.

The endgame is an end to transphobia, free and prompt access to healthcare when needed, an end to discrimination against trans people in housing, employment and other areas along with the ability of trans people to have fulfilling lives free of harassment and able to fully participate in society. That and of course the overthrow of patriarchy and capitalism and with it the abolishment of gender as a hierarchical systam.

Yes, really imperative to get young girls to have mastectomies, that will overthrow the patriarchy! Go for it….

Bodily autonomy is an important part of challenging patriarchy.