Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.

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It never does, its almost like this evidence doesn't exist

I was making a case against the claim that no women were part of allowing TW into womens toilets and no women are comfortable with them there.

And I was talking about before it even reached any parliament in the world. I have read reports from early male transitioners that they were told by their male surgeons to use female single sex spaces.

I asked you ‘when’ were you talking about? If you answered and I missed it, then I apologise for not acknowledging that answer.

And I don’t believe I said that ‘no women was comfortable with them there. That would be a very bizarre claim since we are told by at least one poster on every thread like this that they are very welcoming.

I said the clear majority are not when they realise these males retain their penises. What has been shown on multiple polls on the topic. And also a government consultation if I remember correctly. The one that meant the government stated that females should have single sex toilets on government buildings.

Ok, am really going to go eat soon….promise,

But what the video shows is provocation being met with provocation. It’s a clash of a GC woman vs a TRA woman. You can hear the hostility between the two of them. It’s why the victim called her harasser a “transphobe” in the comments on her video.

So you’re saying that women are harassing other women in the womens public toilets because somewhere miles and miles away men were emboldened?

Er, yes. It's a point I and others on here have been making for years. If men weren't able to get into womens spaces, the fear and anxiety wouldn't be there.

“Handmaidens” are still women. So my point stands.

Handmaidens fight against womens human rights, as you do. In every stage that women have fought for our rights, there has been an element of our own sex, such as yourself, that has fought against it.
During the suffragette era, there were women saying they felt that men were more adept at voting and they trusted their husbands.
During the era where women were wanting the right to drink in a public bar and not have to go into the lounge section, there were women saying that women drinking at the bar was vulgar.
And so, it is thus, with this. There are women such as yourself saying that women don't have the right to sex-based spaces. There will always be handmaidens who do the bidding of men. You're simply the latest example.

I have been arguing against women harassing other women in the womens public toilets because they think a woman may not be a woman.

Yet NOT ONCE have you argued that men shouldn't be in womens public toilets, to begin with. In fact, you've done everything up to and including posting a bogus 'survey' to suggest women DON'T CARE about men (trans women) in their spaces. If you were for third spaces, you wouldn't be fighting soooooo hard to suggest that women 'don't care' about men in our spaces.

Prove it doesn’t exist. Oh wait you can’t because there’s some on this thread. Ooopsy daisy. So inconvenient.

@Discovereads one more time for the cheap seats at the back - you have said - on this thread - that transwomen can't use male toilets as it's too unsafe, and that lots of gender non confirming women are being harassed by GC females.

Other than a dubious video and a couple of posters, you have said there's evidence. I have asked for this evidence. You have avoided this so much that a politician would be proud, and the inevitable flounce has come.

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@DialSquare and I have, or am?! A silly ass apparently. Bless her/them/probably he.

Why do people keep referring to that woman in the video as a 'GC woman'?

I don't hear her make a single gender critical argument the whole way through?

Considering the video makes zero sense, the other woman is hidden, and the fact they use TRA terminology and not GC terminology, yes. If you've been paying any attention, it is so clear the 'victim' in that....video, is a TRA. Clearly wishful thinking on your part, despite all evidence, that this video is 'real'.

Considering a few trans women and many men including gay men have commented on facebook and twitter (with their real names) that trans women are safe in mens facilities, yes. I know you desperately want to believe that trans women are 'in danger' in the mens, but there is absolutely zero evidence of that.

@JennyNotFromTheBlock
Handmaidens fight against womens human rights, as you do. No I don’t. I’m fighting for women to not be harassed in womens toilets. I’m not sitting back and saying oh it’s all the fault of men these women are being bullies.

There are women such as yourself saying that women don't have the right to sex-based spaces.. Don’t include me in that. I have said women have the right to sex based spaces many many times on many threads on here. I can think women have the right to sex based spaces AND the right to not be harassed by other women in those spaces for not being feminine enough/meeting gender stereotypes.

Yet NOT ONCE have you argued that men shouldn't be in womens public toilets. BULLSHIT. I have. I just don’t agree that it’s all the fault of men causing women to harass other women. It infantilises us, denies us agency.

If you were for third spaces, you wouldn't be fighting soooooo hard to suggest that women 'don't care' about men in our spaces. I was correcting a blatant lie. You even agree “handmaidens” exist and contributed to this…the poster I was responding to said only men made this decision and no women were part of it and no woman would agree to. There were women that did agree. Saying they exist isn’t endorsing their views.

Prove it doesn’t exist. Oh wait you can’t because there’s some on this thread. Ooopsy daisy. So inconvenient.

Thats not proof but you said there's lots out there showing TW are at a higher risk of assault or harassment, so please, prove it, unless you cant because its not out there. Ooopsy daisy, so inconvenient for you. On the other hand, there's many stories of women being assaulted.

@VinoDino
that transwomen can't use male toilets as it's too unsafe,
Nope didn’t say that.

I’m not a TRA or MRA.

All evidence to the contrary! It's like Truss advocating for lower taxes for the rich and saying she advocates for the poor. You're not fooling anyone. If you weren't a TRA and MRA, you wouldn't be putting forward the proposition that men (trans women) are at risk in the mens toilets, or that feminists are bad and harass women.

The push came first and then the backlash. They didn’t happen at the same time.

Exactly. The push for men in womens spaces came first. The backlash has been recent.

It’s evidence.

It’s evidence.

Its not.

@JennyNotFromTheBlock
you wouldn't be putting forward the proposition that men (trans women) are at risk in the mens toilets, or that feminists are bad and harass women.

Not what I said. Oh this is so tiresome.

What the 'video' shows is a half-hearted staged 'confrontation' in a high school monologue type project. I know you desperately want to believe this fake 'video' because it suits your agenda, but the video is clearly faked. NO gc women talks like that. None. It's actually a laughable attempt. FFS, they couldn't even use actual GC talking points, instead they used TRA terminology.

Yes it is of gender nonconforming women being harassed in womens toilets

The TW stuff, that’s your claim, so no need for me to look up evidence on that.

Methinks thou dost protest overmuch as to the fakery of this video. Pray tell how are you so wise in the ways of fakery?

Right, I’m off, cheers. Don’t forget to eat!

Because women in positions of power were consulted, were part of the decision, and agreed to the decision and furthermore surveys showed that some women didn’t mind.

And I ask again, when?

Which women in positions of power were asked when the first male transitioners were told by their surgeons, as per accounts from these transitioned males?

There is quite a difference between being asked before any male started using it, vs making laws for a group of Males who kept up the entitlement and being told it is imperative to their life to continue.

A point made often.

I just don’t agree that it’s all the fault of men causing women to harass other women. It infantilises us, denies us agency.

Well that's barrel scraping isn't it? A woman challenging a perceived transwoman is doing that because she disagrees with the entitlement of actual transwoman to use women's facilities. This has no other cause. This whole shit show is about denying women agency.

Eh, yeah you did, your quote below -

nope, it’s just more dangerous for them in the mens.