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Discovereads · 30/10/2022 17:55

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 30/10/2022 17:44

Who is doing that? The OP? I certainly am not.

You clearly missed Ladybrrrd's posts.

You can abhor harassment and recognise it is happening because of GC women being emboldened by extremists

Your DARVO and gaslighting is absolutely fucking disgusting. The harassment is happening because men are being emboldened by gender ideologist extremists.

There were plenty of females in the government that were full participants in this & agreed to it.

Yes, HANDMAIDEN females.

In 2020 research conducted as part of NatCen's British Social Attitudes survey found that 66% of women said they were comfortable with a transgender person using a female bathroom.

Except that is not at all true. Evidence shows that when women are told 97% of these trans women retain their penis and testicles, the %age against is around 91%. It has climbed higher since the WiSpa and Lia Thomas debacle. So much has happened since 2020, but it's interesting that you are so incredibly desperate to make the case for men in womens toilets and spaces. So much for being a 'feminist'.

You know what? Every post you make, you show how much a fervent MRA you are. No woman would argue for men in vulnerable womens spaces. You are as much a feminist as I am the Pope, and I am the wrong religion and wrong sex.

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So you’re saying that women are harassing other women in the womens public toilets because somewhere miles and miles away men were emboldened? Wow that’s quite a stretch really, almost as good as “satan made me do it”.

“Handmaidens” are still women. So my point stands.

The survey I posted WAS true and I posted the question they asked and the definition they used. If you’d like to post a different survey, go ahead. But other surveys don’t make the one I posted untrue.

you are so incredibly desperate to make the case for men in womens toilets and spaces. But I’m not at all. I was making a case against the claim that no women were part of allowing TW into womens toilets and no women are comfortable with them there. This claim was a lie. Saying a lie is a lie isn’t making a case for one side or another, it’s correcting misinformation.

No woman would argue for men in vulnerable womens spaces. Good thing I haven’t done that then. I have been arguing against women harassing other women in the womens public toilets because they think a woman may not be a woman.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 17:56

VinoDino · 30/10/2022 17:39

@Discovereads One dubious video from a TRA and a couple of random MN posters and that's your evidence?!

There's been more women on here saying they have been challenged, didn't mind it and all was well once the misunderstanding was cleared up and remain unscarred by such an incident. As would I be in the name of safeguarding.

I wonder if you apply the same standard to issue like catcalling? 🤔
That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 30/10/2022 17:58

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 30/10/2022 13:47

The aggressor in that video is absolutely horrible - it is beyond nasty to treat another woman like that. I am a cis woman and very obviously female and I have had a very unpleasant interaction with a woman calling me a man in the ladies loo. These bullying GC feminists should stop and think before they attack people.

@SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain The 'video' is faked by transactivist ideologists.

There is no such thing as a 'cis' woman. You're either a woman, or not.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 17:59

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 30/10/2022 17:39

What do you mean “nope” that’s exactly what I said. TW in mens toilets has fuck all to do with women harassing other women in the womens toilets.

It really is. If you cant see that, its simply because you're not willing to acknowledge it. If men aren't allowed in womens toilets, then a woman wouldn't need to ask another person if they are male or female. The situation wouldn't arise.

? But weren’t people just saying on this thread this situation did in fact occur in their mothers and nans time?

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 18:02

I wonder if you apply the same standard to issue like catcalling? 🤔
That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.

@Discovereads isnt that the argument that TRA.use to justify TW using womens spaces, that some women don’t mind so it’s ok?

VinoDino · 30/10/2022 18:03

@Discovereads I wonder if you apply the same standard to issue like catcalling? 🤔*
That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.*

The two aren't even comparable 🤣 you're are making yourself look silly now. Time to buy a bigger shovel.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:03

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 17:52

Actually no. I’ve just been to the toilet and I didn’t like vinegar. I am short yes, but I’m fully sensible and my comprehension is excellent. You’re the one saying women are more at risk from other women then from men who wish to LARP as women. You expect women to care about TW feeling unsafe in male toilets when they are the ones disrespecting women by entering womens toilets when women have made it clear they do not want males in there.

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@Asdavaluesausage
Youre the one saying women are more at risk from other women then from men who wish to LARP as women. Nope didn’t say that. Comprehension fail.

You expect women to care about TW feeling unsafe in male toilets Nope, didn’t say or imply that either. Someone asked why don’t TW use the mens and I said why, which is it is less safe for them. No implying anyone should care one way or the other about that. Just answering a question that was asked. Comprehension fail

my comprehension is excellent. Score 0 out of 2.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 30/10/2022 18:03

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 13:59

@Asdavaluesausage
some women in America are anti abortion and lobbied for all abortions to be banned. Should women there just give up fighting for their abortion rights?
No, of course women should keep fighting for their rights, but they should not lie and say that abortion bans are being lobbied for and voted into law by only men.

why are you so invested in persuading women to allow males into female spaces?. I’m not. I’m invested in preventing people from harassing other people in public, full stop. That this toilet issue is no excuse for what happened in the video. And frankly the reason it happened is due to extremist GC activists inciting and exhorting their followers to engage in this sort of confrontational behaviour and harassment.

Why do you want to make all spaces mixed sex? I don’t. I want third spaces.

if it’s just about being wanting to pee, why can’t TW just pee in male facilities. If they’re just going to go in, pee, wash their hands and leave they can do that perfectly well in a male toilet. Because it’s even more dangerous for them in the male facilities.

extremist GC activists inciting and exhorting their followers to engage in this sort of confrontational behaviour and harassment.

This clearly FAKED 'video' is the result of extremist trans activists attempting to play dirty and muddy the waters in desperation. The woman in that video that 'confronted' them is as much of a GC activist as as King Charles is Beyonce.

Because it’s even more dangerous for them in the male facilities.

Er, no, it's not. All evidence and all testimony from men and gay men show that trans women are not at all in danger in mens toilets. They are accepted and the worse they might get is a snicker or smirk from another male. Indeed and in fact, trans women by all accounts, including from trans women themselves, show they are very, very safe in male toilets/facilities.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:06

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 18:02

I wonder if you apply the same standard to issue like catcalling? 🤔
That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.

@Discovereads isnt that the argument that TRA.use to justify TW using womens spaces, that some women don’t mind so it’s ok?

Yes they do. Note I am saying THEY because I’m not a TRA. Such arguments do both sides a disservice. Because it’s the same type of argument put forth here.

That since some women don’t mind being confronted and interrogated to prove they belong in the womens toilets, then it’s all ok, nothing to see. Bullies can bully away at anyone not feminine looking enough for their taste.

RoyalCorgi · 30/10/2022 18:06

Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if someone has already posted this, but this is from the MN talk guidelines on sex and gender:

"That said, it’s clear that most trans people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected, to be hurtful and would therefore struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. The same is true of the expression ‘Trans-Identified Male’ or ‘TIM’. Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but our moderation team will most likely delete these expressions if we feel they're being used in a deliberately inflammatory way."

It seems to me that "cis" is used in a deliberately inflammatory way in the title of this thread, so why hasn't it been deleted?

Helleofabore · 30/10/2022 18:07

I wonder if you apply the same standard to issue like catcalling?

That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.

Isn’t this the logic you have used by telling us that some women agreed in the one question you picked out?

I am confused.

Either way, what is comparative between cat calling and females being asked if they are in the right toilet? That doesn’t seem like a suitable comparator at all.

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 30/10/2022 18:07

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 14:16

Strangely though this wasn’t happening when TW were using womens toilets before the call to action to confront and harass by GC leaders….

So for there to be a cause/effect relationship….the cause must create the effect from the beginning.

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Except that TWs weren't using female toilets en masse before the MRA push to have TWs in womens toilets.

Also, since this has happened, women have become MORE AWARE of men/TRA/MRA extremists in their spaces and confronting and harassing women, hence the FIGHT BACK. So clearly, this has happened since the MRAs and TRAs like yourself egged these trans women into womens spaces. Ground zero.

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 18:08

@discover the thing is I always say it’d it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. Are you’re using every argument (and I use that term loosely). From the TRA playbook, so yeah, I’d say you’re a TRA. Or more like a MRA.

VinoDino · 30/10/2022 18:09

@Discovereads guess this evidence isn't coming then.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:09

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 30/10/2022 18:03

extremist GC activists inciting and exhorting their followers to engage in this sort of confrontational behaviour and harassment.

This clearly FAKED 'video' is the result of extremist trans activists attempting to play dirty and muddy the waters in desperation. The woman in that video that 'confronted' them is as much of a GC activist as as King Charles is Beyonce.

Because it’s even more dangerous for them in the male facilities.

Er, no, it's not. All evidence and all testimony from men and gay men show that trans women are not at all in danger in mens toilets. They are accepted and the worse they might get is a snicker or smirk from another male. Indeed and in fact, trans women by all accounts, including from trans women themselves, show they are very, very safe in male toilets/facilities.

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@JennyNotFromTheBlock
Clearly faked hey? Clearly wishful thinking on your part you mean.

TW are perfectly safe and do not experience any higher risk of harassment or assault… ok. I’ll believe your evidence when I see it.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:11

JennyNotFromTheBlock · 30/10/2022 18:07

Except that TWs weren't using female toilets en masse before the MRA push to have TWs in womens toilets.

Also, since this has happened, women have become MORE AWARE of men/TRA/MRA extremists in their spaces and confronting and harassing women, hence the FIGHT BACK. So clearly, this has happened since the MRAs and TRAs like yourself egged these trans women into womens spaces. Ground zero.

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I’m not a TRA or MRA. And you seem to be confused on timelines. The push came first and then the backlash. They didn’t happen at the same time.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:14

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 18:08

@discover the thing is I always say it’d it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. Are you’re using every argument (and I use that term loosely). From the TRA playbook, so yeah, I’d say you’re a TRA. Or more like a MRA.

Ah, insults, the last resort of the intellectually challenged. I suppose you and I are done then. That goodness. It’s really difficult to have a reasoned discussion with someone who reads what is not written.

VinoDino · 30/10/2022 18:14

@Discovereads TW are perfectly safe and do not experience any higher risk of harassment or assault… ok. I’ll believe your evidence when I see it.

We're waiting for your evidence that they are!!!

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:15

VinoDino · 30/10/2022 18:09

@Discovereads guess this evidence isn't coming then.

Nope because I have a lovely curry waiting for me and don’t have time to educate your silly ass on the challenges that gender nonconforming women face on a daily basis.

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 18:15

How is TRA an insult? Or MRA? Or did you think I was calling you a duck? I really wouldn’t. I like ducks.

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:15

VinoDino · 30/10/2022 18:14

@Discovereads TW are perfectly safe and do not experience any higher risk of harassment or assault… ok. I’ll believe your evidence when I see it.

We're waiting for your evidence that they are!!!

That they are what? I’ve made no promises on anything about TW.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/10/2022 18:15

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:15

Nope because I have a lovely curry waiting for me and don’t have time to educate your silly ass on the challenges that gender nonconforming women face on a daily basis.

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the flounce always comes dunnit?

enjoy your curry!

Asdavaluesausage · 30/10/2022 18:16

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:15

Nope because I have a lovely curry waiting for me and don’t have time to educate your silly ass on the challenges that gender nonconforming women face on a daily basis.

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Always the way. I suppose this is more original than the phone died/ dog ate my router/ house fell down excuses we usually get.

BellePeppa · 30/10/2022 18:17

I don’t understand why her response when asked if she was a man or woman was something like ‘why does it matter’. Surely that wouldn’t be a genuine response to that question? Most women surely think it does matter? Why be deliberately provocative?

Discovereads · 30/10/2022 18:20

@Helleofabore
That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.

”Isn’t this the logic you have used by telling us that some women agreed in the one question you picked out?” No. presuming you are referring to the old chestnut that it was “only men” who decided men could use womens toilets and “no women” were ever consulted. 🙄

That was me correcting a bullshit lie. Because women in positions of power were consulted, were part of the decision, and agreed to the decision and furthermore surveys showed that some women didn’t mind.

I never stated whether all that was ok or not ok. This was purely a true or false question. There was no ethical judgement made.