Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.

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twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1586295024672808961

Saying how men need to act in their toilets is fucking whataboutery.

How so? You are the poster that is determined to paint the men's toilets as a danger zone for TW despite no-one ever being able to provide ONE incident to back up that claim.

As noted previously by me and at least one other poster women are told to just call the Police if they are assaulted, harassed or attacked in women's toilets so why not the same patronising advice for TW in the toilet that matches their sex? Why the need for women to act as human shields for TW?

I care about what’s going on in our toilets. Women should not be attacked by other women because they struggle with perceiving reality (like some posters on here clearly do) and go on the attack after mistakenly identifying another woman as a man.

I care about what is going on in women's toilets too and unlike there being NO examples of TW being attacked in men's toilets there are examples of TW attacking young girls in the women's toilets - search Katie Dolatowski for a start if you don't believe me and there are more.

Toilets segregated by sex and sex only and if TW don't like it or men don't like it - tough work out their own solution and leave women out of it and the fuck alone.

feeling a bit sad about @Discovereads curry now

I expect it'll reheat OK

I wonder if you apply the same standard to issue like catcalling? 🤔
That if some women “don’t mind it” it’s all ok then, nothing to see here.

Interesting you mention cat calling, some very prominent TW have admitted they absolutely love being cat called and treated as a piece of meat.

We should just all cut the crap and the pretence. We all know that it’s nothing to do with safety and everything to do with desire and validation. That’s why there are no instances of TW being harassed in male toilets, but a lot of noise abd scaremongering about how we must of course let them use whatever toilet they most want because trans genocide. (Despite zero evidence of any such genocide.)

If men actually were a danger to TW, they would be organising protests against men; campaigns for safer toilets; etc etc.

The fact that gender ideologists act as though gender critical women are the evil ones persecuting them, whilst also desiring to come right into the loos where the gender critical women are, suggests something rather significant.

This. 1000 times over

The survey I posted WAS true and I posted the question they asked and the definition they used. If you’d like to post a different survey, go ahead. But other surveys don’t make the one I posted untrue.

Yougov, May 2022.
docs.cdn.yougov.com/74l25pslh3/Internal_TransgenderIssues_220720_final_extraXbreak_FINAL.pdf

Page 17

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

Use women's changing rooms?
Should be allowed: 28% / Should not be allowed: 43% / Don't know: 29%

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed: 29% / Should not be allowed: 40% / Don't know: 27%

For comparison, on page 13 the survey had asked the same question without specifying that no GRS had taken place. The responses were slightly closer, but still balanced on the side of "should not".

On page 19 the survey asks:

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women?
Does not present a genuine risk of harm: 32% / Does present a genuine risk of harm: 39% / Don't know: 31%

Questions were also asked about transwomen in women's sport (a resounding "should not"), funding of hormones and GRS by the NHS (erred on the side of "should not"), providing puberty blockers/hormones/GRS to under 16 (a resounding "should not"), and altering passports (a two-to-one majority for "should not).

All evidence and all testimony from men and gay men show that trans women are not at all in danger in mens toilets. They are accepted and the worse they might get is a snicker or smirk from another male.

I suppose that counts as "literal violence" in this topsy-turvy world.

My response to hearing that is similar to Tom Lehrer’s on hearing that Henry Kissinger had been awarded the Nobel Prize.

@RoyalCorgi its called sunlight. We like the glorious sunshine in this darkened area of the forum. It helps us see who is and isn't on the naughty step.

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After catching up I feel the need to wipe the froth (and vinegar) off my screen but its been um....educating seeing it played out. Some of you are utterly amazing 💕

Edie Izzard at the labour conference. At no risk of danger in men's loos and yet Izzard used the women's. Why?

Quite.

And before 'transgenderism' existed, Eddie cowed in a cubicle, desperate for the female occupants to leave so he could go home.

Now he walks right in, in full view of the public, and calls objections 'transphobic abuse'.

Eddie and all men who violate women's boundaries know exactly what they're doing. Eddie knows women don't want men in there, hence hiding. Only now he doesn't care.

My question to Discovereads, who thinks women should have 'agency' is do you accept that women have the right to challenge what they perceive as a male? Or should they just keep quiet and let their agency wither on the vine?

Or is your objection the nature of the challenge? Challenge yes, but not like the person in the video?

India Willoughby self describes as CIS….

I saw yesterday that IW was offering to show their Cervix (which they definitely have) on live TV. And insisting that they have XX chromasomes.

I am assuming that IW has friends. They need to intervene, this is deranged thinking.

It seems to me that "cis" is used in a deliberately inflammatory way in the title of this thread, so why hasn't it been deleted?

Well may you ask @RoyalCorgi A number of us have reported this thread and its title & opening post as deliberately provocative, but ....

<watches tmbleweed >

A number of posts were deleted that called Eddie Izzard 'he' on another thread but Cis is allowed to remain.

You can't make it up.

This simply isn't true.

edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathroom-policies-sexual-assault-study/index.html

This

what relevance does it have to males being in female spaces?

A self-reporting “anonymous website study” of the opinions of US high school kids aged 13-17, is evidence of the assault risk in the loos at a ticketed Labour Party conference in a security-protected conference building in the U.K.?

Aye, right.

@DadJoke Why are you using a US study when the topic is a UK man at a UK political party conference, where he is among his own kind?

Also, the rate of women being attacked in bathrooms by trans women has increased 10 fold. Trans women are not attacked in male bathrooms. In fact, 2 trans women I follow say no men pay attention to them in the mens. Gay men have also said they get no abuse and nor do trans women. The myth that trans women are 'vulnerable' in mens bathrooms is an absolute load of gaslighting DARBO bullshit.

*DARVO

So the valuable lesson from this thread is:

If a transwoman feels unsafe in the gents: use the ladies.

If a woman feels unsafe in the ladies: be kind and shut the fuck up.

Seems that way.

Thankfully, the days of no debate are dead.

Women won’t wheest.

That is the whole joy of being a woman though, doncha know - male validation one minute, yet knowing your place the next.

Cis is a meaningless term. Because of dicks in dresses invading women's spaces and posting vids of themselves wanking as they do so, sadly it is likely that gender nonconforming women might get hassle.

The fault is with the dicks not the women

A number of posts were deleted that called Eddie Izzard 'he' on another thread but Cis is allowed to remain.

afaik the posts that were deleted due to referring to EI as "he" were reinstated when MN mods discovered he doesn't mind it.

I think it's difficult to have discussions without using the word "cis" but agree that it shouldn't be in the title. Maybe MN can edit the title rather than losing some of the excellent posts in this thread?

I've never been called "cis" IRL but i think I'd ask people not to refer to me in that way.

Sorry - I replied to the wrong comment.