SNP MSPs will be whipped to vote in favour of gender recognition reforms

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www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-msps-will-be-whipped-to-vote-in-favour-of-gender-recognition-reforms-3894529

Nicola Sturgeon is now going to force members to vote in favour of gender recognition reform.

I feel like she does not understand that this is such a wedge issue that this might cripple the SNP for decades to come.

God help Scottish women and children if independence happens.
Be strong! Do something before it's too late and your nightmare begins!

Scotland - well to be blunt, popular culture is immature and sexist. And I say this as a Scot. Love of the shiny and new fangled trends. It’s bloody depressing.

I wonder if they can even demand a name change? It would still be based on stereotypes expecting someone to change from a “male” to a “female” name. And some names are considered to be gender neutral anyway. I bet in reality the requirement to live in woman gender means absolutely nothing. Because in reality it does mean nothing.

How the Scottish government makes policy

One of Shauna boys - don’t know if the link will work. First time tried this, but I thought this was funny and relevant.

That’s true!

R4 now

Out of interest, does anyone have any statistics for how many GNC men have been assaulted or otherwise harmed when using male spaces? We keep getting told that this is the reason the poor wee souls have to colonise women’s spaces, yet there seem to be substantially fewer examples of this in the media than there are of women and girls being harmed by the colonisation. And given the general goodwill in the media towards reporting supportively on transpeople’s experiences, you’d expect any such examples to be broadcast loudly, since it backs up the TRA cause.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s genuinely fantastic if men presenting in stereotypically feminine ways are safer in male spaces than we are led to believe, because no one should be harmed for being perceived to differ from the “norm”. But it does somewhat stamp all over the official excuse for transwomen wanting our spaces so if in fact there is minimal risk to them in the male spaces, would they be kind enough to pop back over there and leave the women’s spaces to those of the female sex?

Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

If some people are too scared to use ladies loos, why do I see photos on social media taken in ladies loos with gleeful ‘hahaha’, waving tamping, holding weapons or… ‘entertaining themselves’?

😂

Mens loos bit ladies loos.

Not not bit… 😆

Link to piece on Today programme on Radio 4, just after 8.30 this morning.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001ddw1

Mishal Husein said it wasn't clear to her how a man can live as a woman or how that would be defined in the legislation.

Out of interest, does anyone have any statistics for how many GNC men have been assaulted or otherwise harmed when using male spaces? We keep getting told that this is the reason the poor wee souls have to colonise women’s spaces, yet there seem to be substantially fewer examples of this in the media than there are of women and girls being harmed by the colonisation. And given the general goodwill in the media towards reporting supportively on transpeople’s experiences, you’d expect any such examples to be broadcast loudly, since it backs up the TRA cause.

Also how do these statistics compare with assaults on other males who might also be vulnerable to harm in these spaces, just because of who they are. For example: gay men, ethnic minorities, disabled men, small men...

But even if any of these men come to harm by using male only spaces, what does this have to do with women? We're not there to provide protection for men who are at risk of harm from other men. How can anyone argue that 'men are attacking other men, women have to protect the victims'?

@DdraigGoch if that predator doesn't have a grc then male estate.
If that predator does have a grc then female estate.

In either situation care should
Be taken around all people put into prison & effective safeguards in place to protect others in prison.

I'm not a huge fan of prisons as a first choice solution.

If that predator does have a grc then female estate

Are they less risk to women because they changed the name on their gas bill and filled in a form?

Apparently. 🙄🙄

If that predator does have a grc then female estate.

Always find it astonishing that anyone could support putting rapists into women's jails, but credit to you for honesty and consistency in belief, at least.

Out of interest, does anyone have any statistics for how many GNC men have been assaulted or otherwise harmed when using male spaces?

We can't say with certainty because the only thing we have data on are incidents reported to the police.

Police Scotland confirmed in an FOI a while ago (I think it was a For Women Scotland one) that there have been no reported incidents of any men with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment being assaulted in men's toilets.

However, as I said that doesn't mean there weren't any at all, just that there weren't any reported. And if you think about it from our perspective, we all know about incidents happening to women that are not reported. I know of at least one serious assault by a man on a woman in a women's toilet that wasn't reported and have been told about others.

The issue is not the same obviously as the former involves a same-sex assault in their own space and the latter an opposite-sex assault in the space provided for the opposite sex. And the power differential between men and women means that the risk of harm is greater for women than men. Which is why we should never turn toilets etc into mixed-sex spaces.

Here’s the (a bit late) letter I received from Sarah Boyack this morning. I’d actually written to her about far more than just the GRR Bill! I wrote to her with details about our experience, also about Mermaids and the guidance to schools and asked her for specific help.

I got a standard c&p reply and she couldn’t even be bothered to address me. So I tried phoning to arrange a surgery appointment but the phone number on her website is not recognised. I have emailed to request an appointment.

These MSPs really just don’t care. I don’t understand how they can come to develop their own view if they won’t engage with the constituents affected by the issue.

Of course it does. Everyone knows that changing your name and filling in a form can, in some cases, magically transform a person from being a predatory male into being the most vulnerable kind of woman that has ever and will ever exist.

Everyone knows that changing your name and filling in a form can, in some cases, magically transform a person from being a predatory male into being the most vulnerable kind of woman that has ever and will ever exist.

In all cases, I think you meant to say <hard stare at perceived wrongthink>

Oops yes, soz slipped up there. Naughty me

You also forgot the gap between 'trans' and 'form'.

It's very important. Report for re-education, pls.

If you are in Edinburgh tomorrow, Scottish Labour Party have a stall in Raeburn Place, Stockbridge from 11- 1 o’clock. Go & tell them how you feel about their attitude towards women, children & safeguarding.