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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Joules flying the trans flag

267 replies

ofwarren · 22/10/2022 11:41

I've just seen this on twitter.

Seeing as though mumsnet are their target market, this is very foolish of them.

twitter.com/E8Emma/status/1583750937512144896?t=_ON-ZaQFS-TvpGxayfF2Xw&s=19

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quantumbutterfly · 23/10/2022 12:16

I think I'd like a warm winter goat.

Cailleach1 · 23/10/2022 12:20

Obviously not now to be purchased at Joules. The Filia meeting seems to have raised the issues which affect women and girls. In the same breath where the rights of women and girls in Iran are being crushed, and this reality is being discussed at Filia, you get something like this which is the finger to equality of respect of said sexed humans.

TrainedByCats · 23/10/2022 12:29

I wonder would they put a women’s rights flag up if asked?

DuaneDibbley · 23/10/2022 12:33

"Assigned Gilet at production" 😂😂

KittenKong · 23/10/2022 12:44

So we can swerve changing rooms there then. They have made the positions clear (at least in that branch).

flags indeed.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/10/2022 12:46

Hey womanittee, I have a fascinating update for you. An attendee at FiLiA this weekend has been been asking stores with trans flags to put their side of things. Here's what they told her.

twitter thread

An obvious proliferation of trans pride flags in shops and bars around the #FiLiA2022 venue. Absolutely fine, businesses are welcome to support whichever cause they choose. However, when asked why they’d just done it…. 1/3

Staff said that @queeremporiu asked them to display them to show solidarity with a big LGBT conference taking place in Cardiff this weekend. Except there isn’t one. So, why lie? 2/3

IDK, maybe “we’re trying to piss off a group of women in Cardiff to talk about their rights” doesn’t sound quite so noble. Either way, if you need to lie to people to get them to support your cause, maybe the issue is your cause, not your tactics.

twitter.com/DworkinProgress/status/1584137492617650177?t=qnnEcLduzwJIMd7gyxYPTQ&s=19

Note from me. The @ thequeeremporiu.is the twitter account of a store called the Queer Emporium, in Cardiff.

cesspoolclowncar · 23/10/2022 12:49

Some guy comes in off the street saying put up a flag... and they just do it? Joules sounds a bit desperate. What other flags can men - that famous Joules customer base - come in with and emotionally blackmail female sales assistants into sticking up?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/10/2022 12:49

@ thequeeremporiu, not whatever overconsonanted mess I put there

nilsmousehammer · 23/10/2022 12:53

The whole 'we're inclusive' bullshit needs repeatedly challenging.

It is not 'inclusive' to exclude a lot of females to offer male supremacist privilege to people born male. That is what Joules have been tricked into embracing.

The twits who do this seem oblivious to the fact that they are systematically training the general public to associate that flag with deceit and manipulation. Short term gain, long term disaster .

PrioritiseCalm · 23/10/2022 12:54

Ffs Joules!

PrioritiseCalm · 23/10/2022 12:55

ApocalipstickNow · 23/10/2022 12:15

I’m absolutely horrified that bootcut jeans are still a thing.

They have gone & returned.

hotdiggetydog · 23/10/2022 13:09

Well done Jules for flying the flag!

lifeinthelastlane · 23/10/2022 13:20

hotdiggetydog · 23/10/2022 13:09

Well done Jules for flying the flag!

Are you a big shopper at Joules yourself?
Because I was, and that's it done for me.
Joules needs to think whether Twitter points or actual sales are more important.

Igmum · 23/10/2022 13:25

Sounds like they were conned into it thinking that they would be preaching to the converted. Hope their marketing people are learning a valuable lesson from this. Fingers crossed that Monday morning will see a whole host of angry head offices on the phone to their Cardiff branches.

VestofAbsurdity · 23/10/2022 13:38

Puppers · 22/10/2022 13:34

I stopped buying there anyway as it's all made in China.

The last couple of years we buy far, far fewer items of clothing but what we do buy is made in the UK and from local businesses if possible. Also not plastic fibres.

China the country that is currently persecuting and imprisoning people in 'education' camps for the crime of having the wrong belief - anyone else see the parallels? Joules are obviously relaxed enough about the situation to continue working with and funding the Chinese government..

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/10/2022 14:02

Outside Joules now. They’ve listened to women & taken the flag down.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/10/2022 14:03

cesspoolclowncar · 23/10/2022 12:49

Some guy comes in off the street saying put up a flag... and they just do it? Joules sounds a bit desperate. What other flags can men - that famous Joules customer base - come in with and emotionally blackmail female sales assistants into sticking up?

If I worked in a store in Cardiff, I'd probably do whatever the Queer Emporium wanted, tbh. It would seem like less hassle.

twitter.com/thequeeremporiu/status/1537597861260578816?t=mekkZwv5BnAIrEX5xi1I-A&s=19

Puppers · 23/10/2022 14:03

VestofAbsurdity · 23/10/2022 13:38

China the country that is currently persecuting and imprisoning people in 'education' camps for the crime of having the wrong belief - anyone else see the parallels? Joules are obviously relaxed enough about the situation to continue working with and funding the Chinese government..

I mean the vast majority of our Western consumer goods are made in China and I think we all have to take responsibility for our complacency and the fact that almost all of us contribute to funding the Chinese government by buying endless things we don't need or which could be bought from more ethical sources. But I do see your point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2022 14:06

Outside Joules now. They’ve listened to women & taken the flag down.

That's great, Empress.

ofwarren · 23/10/2022 14:12

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/10/2022 14:02

Outside Joules now. They’ve listened to women & taken the flag down.

Excellent news!

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KittenKong · 23/10/2022 14:16

I hope they had a wee word with the member of staff who did this and their manager. It’s outrageous that shops just plant this stuff -not to ‘show support’ to anyone but to put one finger up to women.

andpeggy1 · 23/10/2022 14:31

Birdsweepsin · 22/10/2022 11:53

Devil's advocate 'n all, but that could quite easily be the handiwork of a rogue member of staff rather than Joules' official position?

I'm part of joules VM team and I can promise you, this is not part of our display plans. This was a member of the stores decision entirely!

Though I'm sorry to disappoint you all, Im totally all for it! Nothing wrong with supporting trans or lgbtq rights!

AngelinaFibres · 23/10/2022 14:34

andpeggy1 · 23/10/2022 14:31

I'm part of joules VM team and I can promise you, this is not part of our display plans. This was a member of the stores decision entirely!

Though I'm sorry to disappoint you all, Im totally all for it! Nothing wrong with supporting trans or lgbtq rights!

Think youbmay well have put the final nail in your rapidly collapsing coffin. Bye bye Joules

VestofAbsurdity · 23/10/2022 14:35

I mean the vast majority of our Western consumer goods are made in China and I think we all have to take responsibility for our complacency and the fact that almost all of us contribute to funding the Chinese government by buying endless things we don't need or which could be bought from more ethical sources. But I do see your point.

I agree, I do my utmost to NOT purchase goods made in China, however, they have pretty much a monopoly on goods produced for the consumerist West - that should NEVER have been allowed to happen.

hotdiggetydog · 23/10/2022 14:36

lifeinthelastlane · 23/10/2022 13:20

Are you a big shopper at Joules yourself?
Because I was, and that's it done for me.
Joules needs to think whether Twitter points or actual sales are more important.

Yeah it's nice stuff

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