Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

Why didn't she shout at the fascist then? Instead of the baby?

What makes it look like these people were invited, please? Were they speaking?

So this was all done without Posie Parker's consent?

An event in a public place that was not ticketed, how could Posie Parker consent or otherwise to anyone turning up?

If so it's really unfortunate that a fascist group that platforms Tommy Robinson managed to get close enough to film Helen Joyce and share it on their social media.

How exactly do you suggest they were stopped? No-one knew who they were.

I am not condoning CMK's behaviour but there were definitely fascists there and it looks a lot like they were invited.

That's a leap, no-one was issued with invitations.

my ex tells DD that I'm a nazi, knowing full well I'm a life long leftie and trade unionist.

I'm a Unionist according to the more deranged elements on the separatist front that makes me a Fascist.

Sorry for the derail but "Fascist" is almost meaningless these days.

Jesus wept. Are we really going with, there were right wing people there, so calling a baby a fascist is more understandable than if they weren't there?

She didn't call them fascists. She called a dad and his baby fascists.

And it's my understanding that you had to register, and there were hundreds of TRAs who registered.

Sapphos, I know you're not a fan of Posie Parker, but the unhinged behaviour of these people is their choice, not hers.

I know he's not liked on here but Peter Tatchell in his day, was brave enough to shout at real Fascists, and suffered physical injury from doing so.

Mind you babies, dangerous, they might projectile vomit in response.

If there were “actual fascists” at the event they seem to have been a lot better behaved than the TRA crowd!

I have to say that “Let Women Speak” in concept and execution is basically the antithesis of fascism, they tend not to be keen on women leading and women speaking up for themselves. Shutting women up is key to fascism just like it is key to TRA-ism. Hopefully as long as the GC movement here continues to be led by women, we won’t end up with street battles like at the Wi Spa protest in America.

Most people who attended couldn't get close enough to see or hear any of the speakers but some randoms were allowed right to the front to film the whole thing? PP must've known who they were.

PP must've known who they were.
For the love of God ask her! She's pretty accessible.

Ask her then.

Hundreds of TRAs also registered. Is she responsible for them, too? Did she invite them?

It's so common to blame women for the bad behaviour of men, or those who represent them, that it's actually number one in the rules of misogyny.

1. Women are responsible for what men do.

Carly-May Kavanagh is an adult in a serious paid role supporting a member of parliament, of course she should be held accountable for what she did in public. It's very patronising to suggest that she was tricked into it or she didn't know what she was doing. Actions have consequences- it's not cancel culture. I really think we need a public statement from Lloyd Russell Moyle that he doesn't condone her behaviour.

PP must've known who they were.

Or, just as likely, she (and lots of others there, no doubt) were very happy to see people had brought cameras on proper tripods documenting the event and was not inclined to start interrogating who they were in case they had the wrong sort of view.

We're not the antifa types who are desperate to hide what we're doing and go around trying to prevent filming... (Hence Andy Ngo getting beaten up repeatedly).

I'd imagine she'd want as many camera crews able to get good vantage points as possible, to reach as many media channels as possible.

(Now, if there were multiple camera crews with tripods and the female socialist feminist ones were unable to get as good a place, maybe there'd be cause for complaint?)

I'm not sure what she's supposed to do anyway? She's organising an event, with a police presence, protesters, vulnerable women, children. What's she meant to do? Stop all the proceedings, while she interrogates and then rejects people? On what possible grounds??

Although, if she could do that, she wouldn't need a police presence in the first place.

Agree with this. I've said from the start that I didn't think she should loose her job.

im not sure im correct at this part but didn’t she also swap places to hurl abuse from ‘the other side’ ?

She got right up to the actual speakers and was shouting abuse from the sidelines, yes.

*lose not loose ffs!

The women there were speaking truth, why would anyone want to prevent any audiences from hearing what they were saying? It doesn't matter that they had their own political viewpoint, much the same as it doesn't matter that Matt Walsh is right wing, he's exposing the the truth about what is happening in hospitals in America and only just showing everyone what is actually occuring and sanctioned by medicine. I am getting really fed up with TRAs trying to insinuate that all gender critical people hold far right views just because we might share some opinions about children not being given irreversible surgeries. Very tempted to give them all a lesson in Venn diagrams.

I don’t agree that she ‘must have known’.

She has already said there was a woman there filming and she has no idea who that woman was or what her opinion was on the topic.

So, if there was a woman there filming she didn’t know anything about, why would she know about some random men filming?

And the ‘ticketing’ didn’t categorise people into left wing, extremist, right wing, or whatever. And fuck, we all have burner emails, it would be impossible to check!

No, I am also pushing back on this. It does not seem plausible at all. It feels to me like the divisive rhetoric coming from a small group of people on twitter who have an issue with Kellie Jay.

Fine to have issues with her, not fine to blame her for people turning up to a well publicised event for their own purposes.

And finally, yes. If they are fascists, they were so much better behaved than the extremists who were slinging that term at everyone on the day.

I think it's therefore only fair to acknowledge that most of the TRAs protesting were probably not in agreement with CMK or the black pampers.

When I went it all seemed fairly good natured.

And finally, yes. If they are fascists, they were so much better behaved than the extremists who were slinging that term at everyone on the day.

Very good point. Regardless of private views, there was only one side actually exhibiting fascist behaviour and rhetoric at that event, and it wasn't them.

Let's police the actual real-world behaviour - the yelling and screaming and throwing things at feminists - before starting on the thought policing.

If you want to protest against whatever those guys do when not just peacefully filming feminists, protest against them at THEIR events.

BTW, not seen it mentioned yet, but Helen Joyce has a good piece on the whole thing:

www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-21/

I have been to a few of these events. I don’t agree with everyone who speaks. Not at all.

Should I be telling them to stop speaking and get KJK to have them escorted out of the park? Or are we all grown ups and can take what we need from these experiences and acknowledge that we are fucking NOT in the echo chamber that we are accused of being in. We have different opinions on different aspects and different motivations.

But we all loosely agree that females need to be prioritised where sex matters amongst other points of view and want to move in the same direction.

I had a look at the Hearts of Oak Twitter page and don't agree with them on most things but a look at their website tells me they are primarily about free speech. They are particularly concerned about increasing censorship. I'm not surprised they turned up to an event which was all about women exercising their right to express themselves freely. If supporting free speech makes people fascist then I guess I'm a fascist. Oh well just another inaccurate label to add to the list, sigh.

heartsofoak.org/about-us/

So, once you remove the smoke bombers, the baby shouters and the masked intimidators, you're only left with what?

People who think lesbians have penises, that homosexuality is bigoted, and that women have no right to privacy from the opposite sex.

Sure.

Just like we know there are some, maybe many trans people who are not extremists.

But. Did you see ANY women or men attending the SFW event scream at babies, throw anything or attempt to intimidate a trans person?

Do you think the protest was actually at all proportionate to the event, Sapphos? Do you think it warranted protesting ? Or was this largely performative and meant to intimidate and silence women speaking (as was clearly known was going to happen, because the speeches are always accessible on line)?

Therefore, in reality, was any person there protesting doing it for any reason other than silencing women?

If people were there protesting instead of listening to get a grip on those women’s perspectives, how are they different from CMK and those dressed like ninjas? And did any of them try to prevent the abuses happening?

I think it's therefore only fair to acknowledge that most of the TRAs protesting were probably not in agreement with CMK or the black pampers.

What a load of rubbish, of course they will have been. CMK just got caught.

You're very keen to minimise the TRA's behaviour.

Tweet from Bessie Braddock:
I disagree with the Woke Left & Far Right. Neither does women any favours & both threaten our rights.

What I find odd is those demanding we all declare we denounce the Far Right in case of contamination, remain wedded to the Left, itself awash with misogyny, homophobia & racism.

twitter.com/BraddockBessie/status/1573289798424727553?t=XYli6Kq9H1JnbhfHtIXOng&s=19

I entirely agree.