Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

OK, but the post above spoke of risk, not dislike. What risk are you positing?

I think the risk is that it could be used to discredit you/get you fired from your job/promote rumours that you’re “associated” with the far right and that GC views are associated with the far right. While “I had no idea they were there and you can’t stop people from filming a public event” is completely logical and should be a defence against this, the world isn’t really that logical.

I don't understand how you can not understand. I am saying one thing and one thing only.

I can see why many people don't want to be on far right websites!

Well, I can see that many people might feel that the downside of potentially being associated with the far right, outweighs the upside of potentially turning people on the far right, probably mainly men, into gender critical feminists.

Others might feel that it undermines the cause to be linked to the far right, even inadvertantly.

Saying that you don't want brexiteer votes is infinitely more stupid than saying that you would rather a video of yourself did not appear on a brexiteer website.

When have I ever told anyone what to do or said I'm a better GC feminist?

You seem to really dislike me Tinsel but I'd appreciate it if you didn't post lies about me.

I don't know, I took a screenshot of it (I hadn't seen anything they've ever posted as I don't follow/engage with anything far right) last night after one of JCJ's flying monkeys posted a link to it (so, again, claiming to not want to 'platform' far right agitators while posting links to their SM profiles makes zero sense) and the engagement (even after days of this argument raging on twitter) was pitiful.

And other posts they've added prior to this even have barely got 1 like - they've over 4k followers but don't get any engagement.

In twitter terms, I get more interaction than they do & I'm a nobody who posts occasional cute dog videos, likes some funny or interesting stuff & mainly posts about women's rights.

They're non-entities IMO. Now massively boosted by the very people claiming to be so diametrically opposed to them that they won't share a platform. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Given your lies about others that’s a bit hypocritical. You are seamlessly moving on this thread from making a snide I evidenced assertion to them using it as fact to justify your next point.

Your techniques are pure TRA.

Yes quite.

As for those men that showed up to listen and film. What if listening to women speak actually made them more amenable to our point of view on all things feminist? Rather than all the women there magically becoming far right purely due to proximity.

I think it was either Helen J or Maya who said that in the public square whether that be physical or online you have no control over who listens to or amplifies your words. More men listening to women whatever their politics could prove to be a net positive.

I saw it mentioned that Sophie Corcoran, the right wing speaker whose presence triggered much of the current argument is just 19 years old. At the moment she holds views many find unpalatable and maybe lacking nuance in a number of ways. No-one's world view is fully formed at 19 though.

Perhaps for her getting involved in a movement that centres women but draws from a wide spectrum of political views will be an opportunity to reflect and learn more on a number of issues. That wouldn't be a terrible thing.

Not taking critique, demanding total, unquestioning support and turning a blind eye to sexism and racism is pure TRA.

I'm not the one doing that.

@GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder

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The Streisand effect strikes again - all this ‘Don’t associate with them’ stuff is just going to make normies curious and thus increase the algorithmic reach of the people who are supposedly so dangerous we can’t even stand in a public park beside them without some sort of ‘literal’ (by which I mean, not actually literal) harm happening by… osmosis?

it’s all very ‘Boy who Cried Wolf’ stuff.

Now that ^everyone* is a nazi, it’s getting increasingly hard to see the wood (actual nazis) for the trees (people randomly accused of being nazis by disingenuous political opponents).

I posted this on another thread a week or so ago, but I think it deserves another outing:

No-one’s doing that, stop being dishonest.

So doing feminism better than others then? After being a TRA when TRA were being sexist & racist?

I think you over estimate the certainty of moral high ground you are trying to occupy. It's a bit like ex smokers who are the worst at lecturing smokers on how disgusting their habit is. Maybe try something a little less sanctimonious given your history.

It’s weird isn’t it how people who know that they were utterly wrong before can’t be open to the idea that they may still be mistaken.

Mistaken about what? Far right nationalism?

Not taking critique? Is it now mandatory to accept the critique of others no questions asked?

Thank you @TheClogLady I'd not heard that song before, now I've got it as an earworm

Ilike the posts about HoO and their, diminutive, audience being exposed to the diverse feminist voices at SFW is much likely to affect them than the other way round.

As tras call everyone fascists anyway, if HoO weren't there it would make no measurable difference.

I think KJK shouldn't be immune from being critiqued, but failing to acknowledge what she's achieving is bad. Comparing her Marine Le Pen is just hyperbolic nonsense imo.

Mistaken about your certainty that CMK's extremism is just a silly mistake she'll be sooooo embarrassed about so giving her some slack, while insisting women who caught a whiff of some fascist bloke's cologne without knowing who he might have been, must 'say the words' or be deemed irretrievably unclean for ever more?

The black & white positions that shift with their targets to account for perceived naïveté erroneously attributed to TRA while hardened positions of fascism cannot be scrubbed without 'saying the words' for women who didn't have a clue who the fascists were or what they were doing, is doing nothing for your newly found enlightenment.

Women are not fascist by dint of their proximity to random blokes at a public meeting.

There you go, you’ve just slid from a sly insinuation about some people being right-wing to operating as though it’s a fact.

The state if you lot, can a single one of you understand the structure of a valid argument?

What’s next, more disingenuously pretending that you just don’t understand what people are calling you out for?

Everyone can see what you are.

Women are not fascist by dint of their proximity to random blokes at a public meeting.

We know the GC women who now appear alongside Tommy Robinson on a fascist website are not fascists. Other people may now believe them to be.

I can't be the only person to find this really unfortunate.

We know the GC women who now appear alongside Tommy Robinson on a fascist website are not fascists. Other people may now believe them to be.

Is this real? Does anyone have a link? -and when you say “alongside”, do you mean there is a site that includes videos of TR as well as showing speeches by feminists?

Wtf Tommy Robinson was there!?

www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/22/the-topsy-turvy-world-of-trans-activism/amp/

twitter.com/standingforxx/status/1573376624896139267?s=21&t=CuTp7itTc3jGJGnGvmS73g

The significance of this is being massively overplayed. The 'shock horror' at the idea of people being recorded without their knowledge and ending up on websites they wouldn't touch with a barge pole isn't new, isn't something anyone can legally or reasonably do much to prevent & the impact that has (given how little engagement their platforms get) is disproportionate to the focus being given to this outcome.

The antifa who couldn't pick out the fascists in crowd while TRA screamed fascist at babies? Where's the mockery or how utterly incompetent the antifa mob actually are when they're actually adjacent to fascists?

The overactive imaginations at play over this - that 2 random blokes who said not a word have the ability to destroy years of work by women across a whole movement? It's ridiculous.

But CMK, the poor dear, should get cut some slack (ignoring her history of bullying activism - treating her as though this was a one off out of character situation instead of the worst thing she's done that's been caught on camera) while she's returning to a previous target of bullying (The Famous Artist Birdy Rose) to throw more abuse at her?

There really is a skewed response to all of this that betrays the 'genuine concerns' that people 'just want to be able to discuss' while completely ignoring or downplaying the worst of what went on.

The women who attended the SFW meeting, the women who organised it & the women who stewarded it are all brave, kick ass women who stood up to the bullies & let the bullies reveal themselves to the world. Left wing feminists are shitting all over

😂this just about sums it up.

Pressed post too soon.

Some left wing feminists are shitting all over the collective work of the women who went in Sunday despite all the threats leading up to that meeting.