Carly-May Kavanagh

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There are rumours circulating on Twitter that Carly-May Kavanagh (the one who screams at babies: Daily Mail) has, despite her “apology” been suspended from the Labour Party. Presumably such a suspension would have an impact on her job as Lloyd Russell-Moyle‘s head of policy?

Apparently if she is suspended it [probably] won’t be made public. Given the reason for her [potential] suspension; if Labour actually do take action, you’d think they’d want to reassure people that they expect their members to uphold certain standards. I mean, “not screaming abuse at infants” is less upholding a standard than it is failing to trip over pebbles of basic decency…

Clearly one cannot put too much weight into Random Person Says Unevidenced Thing. However, it would be a foolish rumour to start without cause, so I thought it was worth starting a thread here to see if there are developments to follow.

Should Kavanagh face consequences for her behaviour it will be a watershed moment: Labour acknowledging women have rights all their own, including the rights to assemble & to speak on issues of concern to them, such as their need for single sex provisions.

I've seen a depressing amount of Twitter comments from women saying that they don't feel like they can contribute to the discussion because they are not 'academic feminists' and are being put off by the infighting. Many have mentioned that they are new to the whole debate and find the backbiting and various cliques confusing. Unless you are an old hand who knows the whole background, key players, feminist dialogue, history, previous discussions and political factions/policies etc, it's hard to know where to start. I certainly find some of this confusing and have to go off and read up on it.

Sorry Sappho, I know it seems like I am needling you. But there are some major inconsistencies in things being said on this thread and by both individual feminists and feminist groups.

I am asking what your solution is, personally. It will no doubt be different to other people’s threshold for action is.

But honestly, with this exact type of event where the organisers do not know who is there filming (regardless of the suggestions from some people), what is your solution?

Maybe these events simply are worthless in your eyes because of that risk.

How about calling them thugs?

I’m still interested in the question of why, if most of the trans rights protesters there were nice reasonable people, they didn’t try to stop the violent aggressive ones & haven’t, as far as I know, spoken up to disassociate themselves from the bomb throwers or the baby shouter.

seems like only educated women are fit to be allowed into whatever you are doing

And to be specific, educated in a specific area and in complete alignment.

I'm sure Helen Saxby and Helen Joyce will think twice about attending a SFW event again.

What makes you say that? Did you make the effort to read the link I posted? Helen Joyce says a lot of interesting and relevant things about the problems of sharing platforms and what happens at rallies. No indication at all that she considers turning her back on SFW or KJK to be a solution.

Old wrinklies will recall groups like the Spartacist Alliance.

Oh yes, original source of Private Eye's "Dave Spart".

Yes. I will wait for Helen Joyce to confirm that she will not again speak at an open mic rally and that she does not support the women who choose to speak out in this way.

I love it you get your teeth into something Helleofabore.

Hints, misrepresentation, ad homs, bad faith responses, strawmen - they don't stand a bloody chance.

Datun

You have most definitely cottoned on that I have to pull at inconsistencies. For quietening my own dissonance alarm!

Yes! Although I didn't know it at the time. Don't suppose the Black Pampers are familiar with the Workers Hammer though.

All streaming now innih.

"So, again. Only the pure seem to be welcome in that Brighton feminist group."

There is a definite clout heirarchy with that clique. You can't be allowed to move yourself into a more senior position without penalty.

It's quite funny really, they are as competitive as any basic bitch capitalists.

So it’s would all be fine if KJK was featured in, and given the seal of approval by left wing paper like The Guardian but not if she featured in the Daily Mail? Because that’s what it appears to be the case imho.
The hypocrisy of some professional feminists is mind blowing.

I am still firmly on the left. But I support the economic left, not the insane and massively bigoted and authoritarian identity left. I bet a lot of right wing money has been pushed onto "identity left" groups to help the identity left gain power within the left, and destroy the possibility of the economic left taking a few pennies from the mega rich.

I think right wing women are women, however. I think they can do good and even if they can't they still deserve to have their voices heard because I don;t believe in silencing women.

CMK made it all the way to Sky News Australia

Sorry Sappho, I know it seems like I am needling you. But there are some major inconsistencies in things being said on this thread and by both individual feminists and feminist groups. I am asking what your solution is, personally. It will no doubt be different to other people’s threshold for action is

The solution is to respect women who choose to support PP and respect the reasons of women who don't.

Not being able to take critique is something I associate with TRAs.

Not being able to take critique is something I associate with TRAs.

And is ‘critique’ what that link was doing in listing her ‘sins’?

Do you feel that is appropriate? You did, after all, post the link.

There are certainly people stirring the pot for all it's worth.

And your reply doesn’t address the specific event style.

So, I guess we have to assume that you feel that the event style should be abandoned?

So, I guess we have to assume that you feel that the event style should be abandoned?

Of course not. But if women choose not to attend due to the risk of being live streamed by far right nationalists (and it seems that risk is pretty high) they shouldn't be sneered at and bullied.

The risk of being live-streamed? What “risk” are you suggesting that this is? Is it “literal violence” for the wrong sort of people to see what you are saying now?

Can you tell me what other of these events have been live streamed by far right activists?

Because I honestly have found this excuse very empty. Because who knew they were even there before that excuse started to come out.

You see. These are the inconsistencies I am talking about. I am very clear that I find that link your posted is at least honest. Whoever leads that group, seem to personally and intensely dislike Kellie Jay Keen. That seems to me to be the only explanation for their page.

I find this ‘oak heart’ excuse is a convenient distraction added after the event and it should be admitted to be this.

But if women choose not to attend due to the risk of being live streamed by far right nationalists (and it seems that risk is pretty high) they shouldn't be sneered at and bullied

Well no ( I've missed where this happened ...or maybe it's not on this thread

...And not the other way round either

I suspect the reason that they don't attend is more down to the aggressive left that turns up and the fear that they will be ostracised more than the easy excuse of right wing video taking.

Yes, it’s pretty dishonest to suggest that the black-clad violent left and their blue-haired fellow travelers are not the main disincentive to women turning up.

I wonder if a lot more would turn up if the police actually did their job, and removed the thugs?