Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine

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Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit grower statement

A statement from the owner reads in part:

Downtime Update as of August 26th, 2022

"What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where [REDACTED] can [REDACTED] little boys and girls into [REDACTED] and [REDACTED], while normal people are not allowed to even discuss it.

The mob has already planned subsequent targets. Should we stay down, they will then attack 'gender critical' communities - especially those ran by and for women. No place can exist online which allows criticism of their [REDACTED], and nothing would excite them more than this power and domination struggle being inflicted on a female space instead."

I would link to the statement on the Internet Archive aka "Wayback Machine" but it has made all pages archived from the relevant site unsearchable (or deleted?).

Mumsnet does not permit links to the site Archive Today so that is out too.

1st Thread Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Oh dear. It seems that you haven’t realised that this is a song that was written about you, not for you.

Joshua Moon provides hosting services to literal self-described neo-Nazis and white supremicists. You know - the same people that the song castigates for burning crosses.

And may I ask why you are using the word ‘scold’ in a forum intended for feminist discourse? Are you completely unfamiliar with the word and its meaning? Or is this just more tongue-in-cheek trolling…

And may I ask why you are using the word ‘scold’ in a forum intended for feminist discourse?

you go first

why are you scolding women in a forum intended for feminist discourse?

Nope, it’s definitely taking the piss out of the people who see Nazis everywhere - you know, the kind of people who call Mumsnet ‘Prosecco Stormfront’?

www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/23786/wokescold

Don’t worry, ‘wokescold’ is an entirely gender neutral term, quite unlike ‘scold’.

I wouldn’t want to assume your gender, Mx Confusion, after all there are infinite ones to choose from nowadays.

may I ask why you are using the word ‘scold’ in a forum intended for feminist discourse?

Yew may arsk dahling

You’d think it would be blindingly obvious to TeamTra* that reason I wrote ‘wokescold’ and not ‘woke scold’ is because a space (and the lack of a space) is a specific and deliberate choice.

Woke scold and wokescold are not the same, just as trans woman and transwoman are not the same.

Not that I’m declaring Confusion to be on any particular team, after all, Confusion self identifies as Confusion*.

I am 100% secure in my non-Nazi, non-racist, non-misogynist, non-fascist, pro-women, pro-child safety, pro-human, pro-nature, anti-Frankenstein, anti-hate, pro-love self. I toss Josh BTC regularly. It's the least I can do. The only thing I do in support of free speech is exercise it once in a while. He has put himself on the line for it in ways I haven't yet, but hope to. I experience zero cognitive dissonance, except when engaged with a wokescold, and then only on their behalf because I can't understand how a citizen of a liberal democratic society have have a mind that warped - except by brainwashing. I sleep like a person having as clear a conscience as I do.

Clearly with interesting dreams.

Just so I’m clear on the argument, because JM may have hosted a far right website (though after how KF was reported in the press, I’d want to read some of it before I agreed it was right wing) and I admire his determination, I’m a nazi?

Be careful @landOFconfusion, you’re posting on a notorious hotbed of transphobia. You wouldn’t want people to think you’re (insert bad thing) too.

Just so I can avoid any problems in the future, who am I allowed to admire and what websites am I allowed to read? I wouldn’t want a random stranger on the internet to think I’m a nazi.

Just off to burn my Harry Potter books and delete my monty python films. Oh and black books, IT crowd and father ted. I’m sure I’m forgetting some… what’s Paul Hollywood’s level of purity? I may watch Bake Off later.

You’ll have to check immediately before watching the programme, Ginger - todays acceptable media star is tomorrow’s unspeakable bigot!

Look, we all know that only the purest lefties are allowed opinions. Until that opinion shows any sign of centrist thinking in which case they are immediately nazis. Keep up!

🤣

Oh shit. I forgot Matt Lucas. Little British was quite problematic (and shit). Not sure about Old Greg from Mighty Boosh. It s/he transphobic?
Damn no bake off for me.

to be fair, Old Greg was well dodgy, even at the time

Why? Don’t you like Baileys, Bernard?

I only vaguely remember Old Greg. I think I’d stopped watching around then.

Only when drunk from a shoe

Someone made a search engine you can check to see if anyone in the cast/crew has been accused of sexual misconduct - therottenappl.es

Perhaps we could expand this idea to include any creators who have ever expressed the wrong opinion? We could get it to search their Twitter feeds for problematic language or simply give it the functionality to mark people as transphobes. Of course, there will be no definition of transphobic, it’ll just be whatever we think of at the time, and once marked, there’s no way to appeal or come back from it. That way, you can enjoy your shows safe from the horrors of someone with a different opinion to you.

Would you like pudding too?

I took Home Economics, I got an A+. I did a crumble.
Teacher said mine was the best one.

Or a wine lolly?

Like this?

shinigami-eyes.github.io/

Hm, interesting, from the notes on Shinigami Eyes:

'Why did you create this extension?

As a transgender person, I got used to be distrustful towards people. While guessing the attitudes of an openly conservative person or group towards transgender people is easy, this is much more difficult when you deal with communities that tend to be moderately progressive or with intersectional interests, such as the feminist community, the lesbian community, women's associations and the atheist community.'

Diversion:

Grimes (2 children with Elon Musk, 2nd by surrogate, dated Chelsea Manning) released a song called Shinigami Eyes earlier this year.

Speaking of diversions, has anyone else been following the clusterfuck of disasters at Twitchcon?

Absolutely horrified by the serious and life changing back injury, a young, physically fit, female streamer suffered, especially as she wasn’t even the first person injured that weekend.

And that no one realised how injured she was until an off duty EMT intervened and insisted on keeping her still and calling an ambulance.

Could’ve done with a few middle aged sensible first aiders and H&S inspectors on staff.

Y’know, the types of people who understand safeguarding in multiple scenarios, including physical?

As opposed to elevating people who think shutting down websites with nasty words on them is how you keep people ‘safe’.

www.insider.com/boycott-twitch-twitter-twitchcon-injuries-social-media-2022-10

I'm sorry, did I just read an article which devoted nearly the same amount of space to (a) someone breaking her back in two places because there was a one-foot-deep foam pit, and (b) a panel listing "misgendering" an enby?

Others also criticized the platform for stating that a Twitch streamer known as cuptoast used she/her pronouns in a purported photo of a panel listing that was shared online. According to their Twitter account, cuptoast uses she/they pronouns.

In the image, streamer Aimsey was also listed as using she/her pronouns. According to their Twitter profile, they use "any pronoun (they/she/he)." Some people argued that stating Aimsey's pronouns as only being she/her constituted "misgendering."

Yes you did. I kept reading thinking they would return to the poor woman but nope, not important enough