Harry miller arrested

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What is it about humans and flags? They cause no end of trouble

You do have to wonder if the principles of free speech would be getting quite so much support on MN if the person involved was a TRA.

What the fuck are you talking about, TRAs apparently have a pass to say whatever they like up to the levels of harassment and to make violent threats with impunity. The double standards are a large part of the problem because it’s indicative of ideological capture of the police.

If legitimate political speech by TRAs was being shut down of course they’d be supported. But that’s not happening anywhere in the first world. Because transactivists aren’t fucking oppressed. They are in fact the oppressors as can be seen from the cops lining up to do their bidding even when it’s manifestly unjust and even illegal.

@Hoisin75

Exactly that. They’re saying the gender movement is fascist.

Has that ever happened? Genuine question because I've seen tras post some pretty repellant things on twitter (death and rape threats).

The PCC for the area, whose name I cannot keep in my head, Donna..I want to say...Jones, calls Penny Mordaunt her pal.

I understand why Jewish people, in particular, would find the manipulated Trans flag offensive. I find all the hyperbolic cries of 'genocide' offensive.

Dark day for Munsnet...! I don't know why I find that so funny. But thank you, I needed a good laugh.

Yup, eerily reminiscent of Communist childhood

What a gift for Harry. Can't wait to see the fallout. This week is the gift that keeps on giving.

The met have just walked into an obvious free speech trap, and anyone who has fallen for the righteous cause, likewise won't get the comparisons, the irony will be lost and they will take it at face value.

Things are going well and this will be a set back.

Harry Millar arrested though!

Somebody quoted this John Agard poem recently.

What’s that fluttering in a breeze?
It’s just a piece of cloth
that brings a nation to its knees.

What’s that unfurling from a pole?
It’s just a piece of cloth
that makes the guts of men grow bold.

What’s that rising over a tent?
It’s just a piece of cloth
that dares the coward to relent.

What’s that flying across a field?
It’s just a piece of cloth
that will outlive the blood you bleed.

How can I possess such a cloth?
Just ask for a flag my friend.
Then blind your conscience to the end.

Thanks for the Agard poem. Humans' fascination with brightly coloured bits of cloth is very strange. I suppose tribalism needs to be made visible.

The designer of the 'Progress' pride flag is a professional designer, btw. Believe it or not. Not only do I find it ideologically disturbing, it's an aesthetic disaster.

We know that Marion Millar was arrested for displaying a picture of ribbons.

Now someone is arrested for sharing a picture of a flag.

The Haberdashery Wars of Oppression continue.

What is it about gender ideology that makes otherwise intelligent people so daft? Since when is it okay for public bodies to fly flags of allegiance to tiny segments of the population? Since when is it a crime to mock flags? Since when did the offence that might be taken by one group of people automatically take preference over the offence that might be taken by another?

If you can’t see that Fox and Co (whatever you think about them, whether you agree with their arguments about gender or not) are arguing against fascism and for freedom of speech (because - surprise! - fascists oppose freedom of speech) then I have a bridge you might like.

Yes. It was comparing gender identity ideology to an authoritarian regime. Did you think it was a statement of nazi support?

Women are routinely personally threatened with death and rape, harassed, intimated and bullied and the police just stand and stare

And then these frightened women are murdered. Shame the police did not act as quickly on those occasions as they did to someone feeling anxious on this occasion.

www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/mayra-zulfiqar-murder-pakistan-police-b1843875.html

policetribune.com/woman-murdered-3-days-after-judge-denies-protection-order/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sarah-everard-violence-women-epidemic-b1815805.html

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-45336464

Come off it. It was perfectly clearly aimed at saying that that ideology equated to Nazism. The idea that people look at that and think "Hmm, a reasoned critique on authoritarian thinking" is just absurd.

Well said. They also visited PP for being 'untoward about pedophiles' in the same week.

Are the police actually aware that people are winning their free speech back, and we don't necessarily have to bow to Stonewall anymore? Do the read the news?

Oddly, that's exactly what I thought. Tras obviously aren't nazis, that's absurd, but authoritarian, arguably, yes.

Erm

you’ve just pretty much restated what that poster said

nazism was an authoritarian regime, yes?

From the Oxford Learners Dictionary:

Authoritarian - believing that people should obey authority and rules, even when these are unfair, and even if it means that they lose their personal freedom

@Beowulfa thank you for mentioning that book. I read it years ago, as harrowing as it is, I couldn't put it down. I mislaid it and had forgotten what it was called. Thank you for the reminder.

I watched that video. They all admitted to sharing the image yet only one person got arrested for it. So the crime doesn't seem to be the sharing of the image. The crime occurs only if someone else finds it offensive. So someone else's feeling can make an otherwise legal activity illegal. We may as well go back to trial by ordeal.

‘Come off it. It was perfectly clearly aimed at saying that that ideology equated to Nazism.’

That’s what we’re saying. Since when did critiquing authoritarianism- by comparing it to other authoritarianism- become the offensive thing, rather than the authoritarianism?

I don't think it's funny. But I don't think it's an arrestable offence either. The police are failing on actual crimes, especially rape, yet they can send out 6 police officers for this nonsense! As if Laurence Fox isn't absolutely loving the attention as well - we should all be giving him less, not more, maybe then he'll stop being a dick.

I couldn’t get the video to play last night, but I’ve now been able to watch it

I think the sequence of events is

• A man who isn’t LF or HM posted the swastika image on Facebook
• the police came to his house at 10am on a Sunday morning and failed to caution him, but did try to get him to pay a £60 on the spot fine
• presumably he told them to get stuffed and called LF and HM
• the police went away and came back. (By appointment as LF and HM knew when to be there?)
• HM pointed out a failure in their process
• the police arrested him for annoying them
• the police released him due to not having a leg to stand on

why the heck are the police attempting to regulate Facebook?

Here is the Scottish Government's guidance on flag flying.

www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-government-flag-flying-guidance-2022/

The only flags that should be flown from SG buildings in Scotland are the:

Saltire

Royal Standard at St Andrew's House only (by Special Command or Royal Assent)

Union flag

Rainbow flag

Commonwealth flag (Commonwealth Day only)

European flag

Autistic Pride Day flag (Autistic Pride Day only) from St Andrew's House only

Armed Forces Day flag (Armed Forces Day only)

Red Ensign (Merchant Navy Day only)

Transgender flag on Transgender Remembrance Day

World AIDS Day flag (World AIDS Day only)

Other flags should not normally be flown from Scottish Government buildings.

Here's the English guidance:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/flying-flags-a-plain-english-guide/flying-flags-a-plain-english-guide

I wonder if they knew who Harry was?