Harry miller arrested

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I don't think it's particularly funny. Lawrence fox is someone I find unpleasant, objectionable and irritating. Harry seems like the kind of man I dread dealing with in my professional capacity and would swerve where possible.

but you do understand that we aren't 'defending' a swastika being used we are defending the right of people to be (in my opinion) unpleasant, objectionable and irritating without getting arrested for having those views.

Because who defines what is objectionable? Or irritating? Or unpleasant?

Following quickly on from the mess that is Wiltshire police with their visit to Kellie-Jay Keen, this will be more bad PR for the police

And Harry will be like a dig with a bone.

Some people find it funny for reasons of their own. The point is, offensive or not, the police have overstepped here.

If police resources are being wasted (how many police officers turned up for this incident???) to discuss ‘offensive’ things posted on the internet that are not ‘illegal’, that is a significant concern.

And the proportionality needs to be addressed. And the blatant bias.

Tell us how many threats made against women who disagree with gender identity theory are investigated like this again? …

It's the prejudice that stands out. Women are routinely personally threatened with death and rape, harassed, intimated and bullied and the police just stand and stare.

A person gets offended by some flag rearranging and two van loads of law enforcers show up to arrest them.

The police are being used as a personal 'ideology defence team.'

It's not on.

Quite a few posters feeling its an apt comparison though.

Anyone who doesn't consider that contocted flag to be anything but repulsive is no ally for women or humankind in general. Think what you like about TRAs, it doesn't compare to genocide.

Dark day for mumsnet.

I also agree that it’s disgusting and not funny that a group of people can take a system - non-crime hate incidents - that was implemented to better inform police of the depths of communism racism after the murder of a young black man - Stephen Lawrence - and abuse that system, in an authoritarian way, by inducing the state police to arrest people for the non-crime of not agreeing with the offended people’s ideology.

I have said it before, I don’t understand why Baroness Doreen Lawrence doesn’t jump up and down in disgust about these basement dwellers abusing the system set up in the wake of the racist murder of her son just because males get called men and they don’t like it. It would be great if she would.

If this makes the newspapers, do you think they’ll print the image?

I do hope so. That will cause the person who reported it a lot of anxiety.

I hope everyone who looks at that incredibly ugly flag in years to come sees it as the authoritarian symbol that it is.

We all agree some people find it offensive. I personally don’t, I think it’s making a political argument that gender ideology is fascist (it is in many cases, in my opinion). But even if I did find it offensive, even if everyone found it offensive, that’s not a reason for making it illegal, and it’s not actually illegal.

‘Think what you like about TRAs, it doesn't compare to genocide.’

No-one’s saying it compares to genocide. They’re saying it compares to proto-fascism.

Dark day for mumsnet

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‘Ironic then that their satirical visual statement led to their arrest.’

Yes.

Anyone who doesn't consider that contocted flag to be anything but repulsive is no ally for women or humankind in general

its perfectly possible to feel a flag is repulsive AND also be able to hold the knowledge in mind that posting something others find repulsive is in itself not a criminal act.

The irony of people supporting the police to whisk people away for thought crimes on a thread relating to someone's childish use of a swastika does not escape me.

I look forward to the resultant media hooha and scrutiny that this should bring.

As Datun and others say, this is about the Police acting outwith their powers. We should all be outraged by this.

it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with what someone posted on facebook, it's about the Police illegally acting like bully-boy enforcers for people who hold particular characteristics. It's about misuse of Police resources. It's about them choosing to send 5 officers in 2 vehicles to visit someone over a facebook post, when we know damn well that they would be "too busy" to attend if the same house had it been burgled (an actual crime). It's about us sliding into totalitarianism.

Do you think they should be arrested for it tho?

Anyone who doesn't consider that contocted flag to be anything but repulsive is no ally for women or humankind in general. Think what you like about TRAs, it doesn't compare to genocide.

It doesn't matter if we find it repulsive or not, posting it on social media is not illegal. we should expect the police to act in accordance with the law for everyone, whether we agree with those people or not.

Dark day for Mumsnet?🤣🤣

You can’t simultaneously dismiss a (false) claim of hyperbole - that TRAs are being considered genocidal - and at the same time decide hyperbolically that such a (false) thing is a “dark day” for an entire site of millions of views.

The Pride Swastika flag is not to say TRAs are genocidal like Nazis (although plenty of them accused Helen Joyce of exactly that 🤨) it’s to say TRAs are authoritarian like Nazis. To which they responded by getting the police to go round and arrest someone they didn’t like 🤔.

If you’re going to object to the satirical flag at least be accurate.

Dark day for mumsnet.

The constant attempts to shame posters on the MN FWR board means that sentences like this are now commonplace.

Is the implication that the person who posts that image on the internet not worthy of the protections under the law of due process and unbiased application of laws?

Where is the illegal act that means that this person should be treated in such a way?

I find many things vile and disgusting that others find hilarious. I find it hugely concerning that someone should be subjected to a police visit for causing a person to be offended though.

And yet, here we are being admonished for discussing it.

I assume he’ll be able to sue for wrongful arrest then.

I completely agree with this.

Very worrying and sinister that people are getting arrested for satire. That is a key symptom of a state in the grip of authoritarianism.

The rearranged flag is a shocking image.

The authoritarianism of current times harks back directly to the 1930s.

This modern way of dealing with people whose opinions you don't like by sicking the police on them is deeply disturbing. Shudder.

I hear HM now released. We shall see what unfolds. This plus PP on the weekend is holding a mirror up, isn't it.

The free speech people are dicks sometimes.
The TRAs are dicks quite a lot of the time.
Mumsnetters are dicks now and again.
Twitter is the capital city of dickery and tweeters dick about all the time.
Dicks are present everywhere and it is our duty to 😃 at them.
Surely no need to be anxious if we all understand this and any appropriate rules are heeded...?

I cannot get over how perfectly the TRAs and cops have managed to prove the point that is being made by that rearranged flag.

I hope that this gets lots and lots of publicity.

And on top of that they arrested Harry Miller of all people for no reason.

Yes, it’s a horrifying symptom of rising authoritarianism but at least they totally cocked it up in a way that’s going to shine a big bright light on it all.

So knowing the law and pointing out the lack of following procedure is an offence now?

6 police officers!6!!

When is the last time police forces had that kind of resources for actual crimes?

Reminds me of the times when people would get arrested for making jokes about our "brave and fearless" leader. But that was the '80s in a communist country, not 2022 in bloody England!

No, I mean Harry and Lawrence Fox.

Interesting how the Nazis didn't need genital inspections to separate men and women on arrival at the concentration camps.

(Just finished If This Is A Man if anyone wants to read about oppressed minorities and literal violence.)