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Drag queen banned by National Theatre

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 09:07

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 09:09

Good god! Do NOT check out the Twitter pics!

Belstaffie has a twitter thread on this, it is not at all pleasant!

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EntertainingandFactual · 20/07/2022 09:11

Yes there is one on here. Will find link.

EntertainingandFactual · 20/07/2022 09:13

Here.

DM picked up the story from this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4591922-to-be-livid-at-the-national-theatre?reply=118664466

SuperCamp · 20/07/2022 09:21

LOL, yes the article you link screenshots the MN thread, and quotes from it!

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 09:30

I read the Twitter thing, not the DM article! Ooops!! 😳

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Schmz · 20/07/2022 09:45

Banned ! Good result - well done 👍

Georgeskitchen · 20/07/2022 09:48

Good that people are finally waking up the this.
The sexualisation of young children packaged as "being your true self" needs to stopped asap

grey12 · 20/07/2022 10:00

Wait a second, there was a show in April where 5 year olds were learning about sexual pleasure??!!!! 😱 wtf?!

Fenlandia · 20/07/2022 10:05

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 09:09

Good god! Do NOT check out the Twitter pics!

Belstaffie has a twitter thread on this, it is not at all pleasant!

Ewww, where's the eye bleach?

grey12 · 20/07/2022 10:07

Oh no! What ARE the twitter pics?! 😬 (mordibly curious now....)

RishiRich · 20/07/2022 10:48

Good. That 'joke' was utterly disgusting.

Fenlandia · 20/07/2022 10:53

grey12 · 20/07/2022 10:07

Oh no! What ARE the twitter pics?! 😬 (mordibly curious now....)

Don't say you weren't warned twitter.com/HeadWarriorTWM/status/1549630212656320513

EdithStourton · 20/07/2022 11:20

<hurls>
When I think of the hoops to work in a school...

Somanysocks · 20/07/2022 11:27

I think I'm glad I can't see twitter.

It's time people realise that drag is not suitable for kids. You only have to look at his picture to know the content.

LizzieSiddal · 20/07/2022 11:48

Good work Mumsnetters!
Although it makes me so angry that we have to keep fighting this kind of thing. Drag Queens are not suitable for children and anyone who thinks they are, is listening to Stonewall rather than Safeguarding guidelines.

LemonsOnSaleAgain · 20/07/2022 11:48

Good.

NonnyMouse1337 · 20/07/2022 11:52

Fenlandia · 20/07/2022 10:53

Yuck. Fucking grim. What is it with these 'performers'? People actually think this is entertaining?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 20/07/2022 12:02

If people want to watch it that’s fine

but it’s definitely in the ‘only for those who seek it out’ category

anyone who thinks that sort of performance (highly offensive jokes, stripping, sexualised performance of gender) is appropriate for a public performance that people can’t avoid at 6:30 in the evening needs their head examined

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 12:04

The joke is abhorrent but please bear in mind that this was an ADULT-ONLY show performed in the evening.

The Daily Mail are being dishonest and goady in describing it as "a family friendly festival" and in claiming the act performed in front of "young families."

The festival does include other events (on completely different days) that are suitable for families and children, but this particular event was advertised and marketed as being for adults only. I work next door and the ushers certainly would not have let any children inside the audience. I was there and didn't see any children.

The original thread actually turned into a bit of a bunfight with posters pointing out that it was an adult-only show and that any parent trying to sneak children in was being irresponsible.

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 12:15

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 20/07/2022 12:02

If people want to watch it that’s fine

but it’s definitely in the ‘only for those who seek it out’ category

anyone who thinks that sort of performance (highly offensive jokes, stripping, sexualised performance of gender) is appropriate for a public performance that people can’t avoid at 6:30 in the evening needs their head examined

But that's literally what it is. You had to actively seek it out, and choose to queue up and go inside the audience area. Why do you think people "can't avoid it"? They can just choose not to enter the audience. It's common sense that a 7pm show isn't going to be aimed at families.

You can't see or hear anything unless inside the viewing area (where children were not allowed), unless maybe you go right up close to the barriers.

I want to be clear, I found the joke shocking and am glad that particular performer has been banned. I find the encroaching culture of sexualising children and normalising pedophilia to be extremely sinister and that it needs to be called out and named for what it is whenever it occurred. But the event itself has been misrepresented.

Chersfrozenface · 20/07/2022 12:15

Even if it was advertised as an "adults only" show, jokes about encouraging children to take part in sexual activity are funny, are they?

After Savile, Rotheram, Oxford, Telford and all the others?

Really?

sashagabadon · 20/07/2022 12:34

Surely if an adult only event then under 18’s shouldn’t have even been allowed in to the event? Like at the cinema. No admittance at all at the gates by the staff. Doesn’t sound like that was the case.
and agree with others even if 18 only and strict rules about admittance ( which there wasn’t) then are child sex jokes appropriate? Would that be ok after the watershed on channel 4 in one of their sex programmes? ( they seem to do a lot of sex programmes on channel 4!)
if not why not after all people seek those programmes out.

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 12:39

Chersfrozenface · 20/07/2022 12:15

Even if it was advertised as an "adults only" show, jokes about encouraging children to take part in sexual activity are funny, are they?

After Savile, Rotheram, Oxford, Telford and all the others?

Really?

Nobody is saying the joke is acceptable. Clearly it's not acceptable.

But it's important to represent the facts accurately otherwise it discredits us, and can potentially harm what we stand for which is protecting children.

If our message is "This kind of show is inappropriate for children" then it's very easy for people to research and see that it was for adults, and just dismiss everything we're saying, or claim we've got it wrong, or blame us for taking our kids to adult show (along the lines of "silly women taking kids to adult evening shows"). That's why facts are important.

The message isn't and shouldn't be "this is inappropriate for children" but "these jokes normalise paedophilia."

The last thread got derailed with people arguing about exactly how much people standing on random nearby bridges could see, which has nothing to do with the point of the thread: a culture that normalises paedophilia is dangerous.

Apollo442 · 20/07/2022 12:47

The show was on at 6.30. Hardly 'in the evening's was it? Let's get the facts straight, eh.

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 12:48

Whenever I've attended, the ushers have been vigilant about not allowing children in.

I have looked at photos from the event and don't see any children, and it's just not the sort of environment you'd bring children into.

(To be clear: I am NOT defending the joke. I have said repeatedly that the joke is dangerous and unacceptable. But facts are crucial to avoid being discredited.)

Drag queen banned by National Theatre