Drag queen banned by National Theatre

[SamphirethePogoingStickerist]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

It started at 7pm.

So this is incorrect then:

Le Grand performed between 6pm and 7pm on Saturday at the festival outside The National Theatre.

River Stage is open to anyone passing by on the Thames riverside promenade, with deckchairs set up to encourage people to watch.

and the person on Twitter who said they were there and there were lots of children about?

You will note that neither The Glory nor the performer are disputing the contents posted above and nor are The National Theatre, if what you are saying is correct then they would @DaniRabbity

The person who said there were lots of children and families about also said everyone could clearly hear what was being said on the stage.

I think you may need to reassess your confident assertions regarding this particular show and performance.

Whether or not it was an adults only show or not is kind of irrelevant, a publicly funded institution like the NT should absolutely not be hosting performers who joke about encouraging CSA.

that's interesting. the picture you have posted is insude @DaniRabbity . I had assumed from the wording quoted above that this was an outside performance.

to google!

I was present for most of that festival and there were no children. The photos do not show "lots of children."

"Passers by welcome" means that you do not have to book tickets in advance, but can queue up to enter the audience area. You can't see or hear anything if you're outside the audience area, which has ushers controlling who gets inside (unless you hang around next to the barricade).

The OP states she arrived at 6.30, which is evening. The event overall started at 6pm, with the first hour being music and DJing, and the drag show starting at 7pm.

Whether it was a family friendly show or not (and I think that anyone taking kids to a Drag show needs to have a look at themselves anyway) that joke was disgusting and the person making it should be sanctioned by venues or preferable banned

hmm, the national theatre website says it was on the river stage, which is outside. it also says

leading arts and performance companies will take over the stage to celebrate the best of British culture including performances from drag artists, dance performances, live streamed theatre and plenty of activities for the whole family to enjoy

so while The Glory isn't specifically marketed at families, it does have a 'family friendly' vibe to the promotion material

even if it was adults only, stripping at 7pm? steady on

I don't want to see that either

It's very strange that I'm being attacked despite repeatedly saying that the joke was dangerous and unacceptable and normalising pedophilia.

The person who said there were lots of children and families about also said everyone could clearly hear what was being said on the stage. I think you may need to reassess your confident assertions regarding this particular show and performance.

I was literally there.

that's interesting. the picture you have posted is insude @DaniRabbity . I had assumed from the wording quoted above that this was an outside performance.

No, the photo is outdoors. You can see the outside of the NT in the background.

They have been banned (thankfully), it's the subject line of the thread.

ah, sorry @DaniRabbity , I can see that now. It looked like inside a tent to me for some reason

(not attacking you by the way, just like to go to primary sources)

Yes @DaniRabbity the performance was outside on the River Stage again this: River Stage is open to anyone passing by on the Thames riverside promenade.

IF the show had not been on that stage where people passing by could see and hear it the National Theatre, The Glory and the performer would have made it clear that that was not the case, they haven't, the National Theatre has said it was on the River Stage.

I mean I was actually there. And I literally work here. The River Stage is feet away from me right now as I'm typing this.

Have you even been here?

You cannot hear or see anything without going inside the audience.

"Open to anyone" means that anyone is allowed to go inside the audience without booking tickets in advance.

I really don't understand why people are ganging up to attack the person who's been most vocal in calling it dangerous pro-paedophilia.

You were actually there @DaniRabbity as was this poster who posted on the other thread which you appear to have overlooked:

I was actually there and felt a disgusted as you OP! We actually just walked by the stage by chance as the stage is right on the river bank and open to everyone. No tickets or barriers, totally open to all.

It was in relation to children and not drag speak as the act on stage literally said 'we need to teach our children' and was talking about young people and school so there was no way it wasn't sexualising kids.

There is nothing on any of the promotional material that says the event is adult only. I had a look at all of it.

The person who said there were lots of children and families about also said everyone could clearly hear what was being said on the stage.

So this person is lying about being able to see and hear what was on the stage from the riverside promenade and is also lying about children and families being on the promenade who could also see and hear the performance?

It's not ganging up to attack you, you are saying no-one outside of the area could possibly have seen or heard the act, yet people have said they could.

Is this image not accurate then?

i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/19/17/60451793-11027323-image-a-5_1658246851767.jpg

It really does seem vanishingly unlikely that an outdoor performance which is meters away from a public thoroughfare is unable to be heard by anyone unless they're sitting right in front of the stage. Remarkable sound system.

This feels like the person on the other thread who told me repeatedly that you can't see the stage at all unless you're standing on Waterloo Bridge

The barriers go up in the evening and there are ushers controlling who gets inside the audience area. The photo shows the audience area. You can't see or hear if you're outside the audience area, unless you're directly outside.

I am the only poster on this entire thread who's said "this is pro-pedophilia and dangerous" and I'm being targeted for attack. Only two other comments have even mentioned sexualising of children.

The issue has nothing to do with drag queens, but with dangerous jokes that normalise pedophilia.

I am very, very concerned by the number of posters trying to derail both these threads.

I wonder if people are trying to generate screencaps for Twitter "oh look they don't give a shit about protecting kids they just hate drag queens."

I was standing right outside the barrier and couldn't see or hear a thing because the crowd was so thick. Even inside, it was hard to see the stage through the crowd.

Please compare the image the Daily Mail posted which was taken during the daytime, with the image of the same stage taken later that evening.

I 100% agree with you @DaniRabbity regarding the comment, it was abhorrent. I diverge on Drag, to me it is sexist and deeply misogynistic it is adult entertainment, though a form of entertainment I despise, and should not be anywhere near children, should not be promoted to children as in DQSH in libraries.

Where we diverge is your insistence that no-one, unless in the audience area, could see or hear what was going on on the stage. As Clymene said that is one hell of a remarkable sound system that only those in the immediate vicinity of the stage can hear as sound carries the NT should patent that they'd make a fortune.

People who were not in the audience are have said they could see and hear, are they lying?

Please don't conflate paedophilia with drag, it's dangerous, and is exactly the kind of thing that can and is used to discredit us and make out that we're bigots who are pretending to care about safeguarding.

Hear the music? Yes of course.

Hear individual comments spoken on stage? As someone who was actually there, no I don't believe that. Even when I was inside the audience area, I had a hard time making out the dialogue.

See the performers on the tiny stage with a thick crowd jumping up and down right in front of it? No.

Are those 2 pictures you posted the same stage? Dani?

I dont want to be rude but you are calling people who were there with their children and heard the comment liars but we apparently must believe you? Why should you be believed and not them?

Please don't conflate paedophilia with drag, it's dangerous, and is exactly the kind of thing that can and is used to discredit us and make out that we're bigots who are pretending to care about safeguarding.

FFS I am NOT conflating Drag with paedophilia - read my words, I said it is a sexist and misogynistic form of adult entertainment and should not be promoted to or anywhere near children. No form of adult entertainment should.

Yes they are the same stage, just from different angles and different times of the day.

If there were "loads of children" present there would be photos showing this. (Bear in mind the person who claimed there were "loads of children" present was not there with their own children, and later admitted to having been wrong, and that it was not an event aimed at children.)

I personally don't believe that loads of parents would take their children to an evening drag show advertised as being hosted by someone named "Sue Gives A Fuck."

I don't give a shit about an evening drag show aimed at adults. That's not the issue. Pro-paedophilia comments are the issue.

This is exactly the kind of thing that discredits us and does active damage to our cause (of protecting children).

I honestly find it terrifying that people are more upset by the existence of drag queens, than by pro-paedophilia.