Drag queen banned by National Theatre

[SamphirethePogoingStickerist]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

Which is a real thing, sexuality can affect how people adopt cultural expressions of masculinity and femininity, it's pretty common and I think not well understood in an academic kind of way. But people do have an experience of that and imo drag comes out of that.

Blackface was also a 'cultural expression' as were/are many other obnoxious or harmful activities including FGM. There is nothing about something being a 'cultural expression' that makes something harmful and misogynistic morally OK.

No - ‘jokes’ about pedophilia aren’t for anyone. If you are laughing at that you seriously need to reset your moral compass.

100% what is it with one dedicated poster nitpicking totally irrelevant details such as whether the show started at 6.30 or 7pm? That freaky 'performer' should be investigated for inciting CSA. It's isn't riskee or avantgarde, it is hideous and primitive.

Because the so-called 'joke' was just part of the show. You don't arrive at a position where a performer thinks it is just 'edgy' to say this or where an audience carries on in one step. You get there by saying DQST is just fun, that mocking women is OK, that 'adult entertainment' is appropriate for early evening free summer festivals with families walking by.

Yep

stripping

this act at 7pm contained stripping

WTAF?

Open minds, open hearts - these are just leading up to what some men really want, which is open legs. This man has come out with that.
This whole thing is aimed at normalising paedophilia.
As has been said, no-one walked out. So the normalising worked.

Absolutely. Was it a joke or did this performer just say the quiet bit out loud?

Lovelyricepudding, said person should have their hard drive checked, but the special teflon coating will deflect that.

Yes. And by saying that any criticism whatsoever of drag, particularly drag and kids, is 'homophobia'. It's a drip feed of normalisation. We know that predators will latch onto anything where they get an inkling that they will be able to hide in plain sight, and here it is.

And every single time we point any of this out we get the usual frigid, old fashioned, hysterical, phobic, fuck off bitches responses

Not only did no one walk out even here on Mumsnet there has been posters defending the DQ. The normalisation has worked indeed just like PIE in the 70s.

What caused people to wake up to the danger PIE presented? We need that to happen

or we just don't understand.

6:30 is hardly "the evening" in the middle of July in the UK when the sun goes down after 9:00 p.m.

There's an informative article on PIE here, which talks about how it came to disband.:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

There are some similarities, including riding on the back of LGB rights and being embraced by some on the left, but the TRA movement is on a totally different scale of course.

I didn't say anything that was a cultural expression was ok. I said that it wasn't, imo, about degrading women at it's most basic level. It's about how sexuality interacts with sexual presentation.

I appreciate you disagree, but that doesn't mean my view is somehow unreasonable or evil.

My main point was a thread that's mainly about whether a certain joke was acceptable and what kinds of things are appropriate for kids and why many people are increasingly confused by that will likely have lots of agreement on those topics, and maybe people don't need to be accusing each other of being thick or evil because they don't see drag the same way.

On holiday recently and kids shows were starting at 7.30 or 8.

That material was definitely late-night. I don't understand it. My friend that does drag says some truly bad taste things in his act. I'm not sure if he goes this far but adult drag stand up (not the sanitised RuPaul stuff) definitely shocks and part of it is you don't know what the performer is going to say or do.

This is why it's not appropriate for kids. Personally, I'd be ok if my kids were older teenagers and watching, but young children?

I hate all these comments saying anyone who questions is homophobic etc etc. Drag Queen's are not an oppressed group! They are adult performers who put on a costume and we'd question Coco the Clown saying stuff like this to young children.

maybe people don't need to be accusing each other of being thick or evil because they don't see drag the same way.

Well yes, I could've done without being accused to being pro pedophilia because I was pointing out how none of this happened in a vacuum.

But I can't say much more than that due to being silenced and deleted. (However, I do think Mumsnet should clarify my deleted post is aimed at the poster and doesn't endorse any pie sentiments. I think the fact they delete it without explanation after that is very misleading and unfair.)