Drag queen banned by National Theatre

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

Sorry didn't scroll sideways enough to see the last act.

Why is my events page different?

Well, no. Either there were "loads of children" present at an adult drag show, or there were not. That has nothing to do with any concept of "TRUTH" no matter how much you yell.

If there were "loads of children" then it would be easy to find photos showing this.

But all the photos of the event, show no children.

"Nothing anyone else who was present can say will dissuade you, or hasn't so far!"

Except there's only one person on Mumsnet who claims to have attended, and she's not on this thread. So basically a load of people who weren't actually there are trying to convince someone who was actually there that she shouldn't believe her own eyes and ears.

Why do you feel I should ignore what I personally witnessed, in favour of people who were not even there?

Sharon Le Grand is the one who made the comment, performing between 6 & 7, correct?

You're looking at the events page for this coming weekend.

"River Stage Festival" is a festival that lasts for the whole summer, and each weekend has a different theme. The theme for last weekend was Pride/Drag.

It's just more of the usual, isn't it?

It was abhorrent but I'll defend it anyway!

I don't actually care if there were no kids and this happened in a dark space at 2 in the morning.

Making such jokes, normalising such crap, is vile. Many drag acts choose to spout this kind of crap - yes, I do know! That's on them. If they/you don't want that to be what the public, mums, women, NT etc, think of you then clean up your own mess.

Because the acts that depend on sick jokes, debasing women and kids are your problem. Not the women who say fuck off, that isn't acceptable!

You're looking at the events page for this coming weekend.

It said 15th to 22nd so assumed it was the right one. I didn't realise there was another stage as such.

As I said earlier children present or not the comment was vile and why make a statement about children towards an adult only audience? The comment made is what makes me believe children were present as it seems aimed at children. That's just my view though.

What part of "hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck" makes you think it's suitable for children?

That wasn't the performer who made the comment, it was Sharon Le Grand performing between 6 & 7, or are you going to say it wasn't @DaniRabbity ?

No one is defending it, unless you're referring to deleted comments from the other thread.

I've been very very very steadfast and firm in decrying it most strongly. In fact there is not a single poster on this thread that has decried the comment as much as me.

I am the ONLY poster on this thread to explicitly say "this is pro paedophilia."

I have said over and over again how vile and abhorrent it is.

Some of the posters here have done their level best to ignore and downplay the actual comment, in favour of a general discussion about drag, in a way that feels like derailing and preventing discussion about paedophilia.

All I've said is "it's important to be factually accurate to avoid people with an agenda discrediting us".

I find a lot of the posts here worrying because I know how many MRA/TRA types lurk here and how easily they could screencap certain posts to create a narrative "oh these evil MNers pretend to care about child sexual exploitation but actually they're just bigots who hate drag, look they're not even mentioning the comment!"

If you're really determined to perceive "this comment is vile pro-paedophilia and it's important to keep the focus on that" as "defending it" well I have no words!

So if sharon legrand was on before 7 DaniRabbity how is you posting a picture of the stage after its gone dark (so post 9pm) proof there were no children there during sharon legrands 6pm set?

This is some gaslighting shit. Seriously

AFAIK the comment was made during the hand-over between Sharon Le Grand and Sue Gives a Fuck so right before or just about on 7pm.

Sharon Le Grand's performance was mostly music with a bit of talking right at the beginning and the end (the OP of the other thread says she didn't get there till 6.30 so clearly the comment can't have been made in the first half of the show).

I really don't think any mum with any common sense would look at that schedule and think "well Sue Gives a Fuck doesn't take over until 7pm so clearly everything up till 7pm is child-friendly."

The photo I posted is in broad daylight!

I am the ONLY poster on this thread to explicitly say "this is pro paedophilia."

You most certainly are not. You are just the only poster ignoring the context and engaging in whattaboutery.

As a sexually abused and exploited child I will NEVER be silenced for speaking out against paedophilia, no matter how much you attack me.

I really don't think any mum with any common sense would look at that schedule and think "well Sue Gives a Fuck doesn't take over until 7pm so clearly everything up till 7pm is child-friendly."

Why wouldn't they?
There is no adult only content warning.
Drag shows are being promoted in schools and libraries to children. Why is it wrong for the parent to think Sue Gives A Fuck is on at 7pm which is clearly not child friendly but it doesn't say anything about the show before that not being child friendly.

And I can guarantee that no posters would take their child to that show based on the name.
But these posters wouldn't take their kids to drag queen story time, the family sex show or library butt monkey fun either.

It doesn't stop us understanding that the normalisation of drag+children means that children being present is a possibility.

And again, even if they weren't, children should not have been the subject of that joke. As many, many, many posters have said.

As a sexually abused and exploited child I will NEVER be silenced for speaking out against paedophilia, no matter how much you attack me.

Nobody is attacking you or trying to silence you!!

People are rightly asking why you should be believed as a random on the Internet and other random on the Internet shouldn't be believed. That's not attacking you.

You however are attacking other posters. You are demanding the thread content focus on one part only while others are discussing the whole content of the event.

Why are you defending parents exposing their children to things that are clearly not appropriate for children?

Are parents really so stupid and incapable of making their own decisions how best to safeguard their children that they need "ADULTS ONLY" stamped on things that are obviously not suitable for children?

I've said twice that the NT massively fucked up by not making clear that this was an adults-only event (everyone seems determined to overlook that in their desperation to gaslight me and paint me as saying things I've not said) but I've also said numerous times that adults need to take personal responsibility in safeguarding their children.

While drag queens are promoted in schools and libraries, why would anyone think that a drag show there was adult only?

There's serious boundary blurring going on, which is why people are now looking askance at all drag.

Yes the peodophilic joke was disgusting, and it's good they've been banned.
But also drag is an adult entertainment form, completely unsuitable for children no matter how sanitised the content, verging on a fetish in some cases.
And it's also starting to be recognised as misogynistic crap.

You must certainly are not the only poster decrying the cement being pro pedophilic.

That's the kind of daftness that derails whatever it is you are actually trying to achieve.

Yes, I completely agree. It's disgusting and so very dangerous.

Why are you defending parents exposing their children to things that are clearly not appropriate for children?

I am not. I am pointing out how the normalising of drag to children has already happened. That is is done under the guise of diversity and equality so a parent who sees a drag show 6-7pm that has no adult content warning would not be stupid to think it was suitable for children as drag shows are being promoted in schools and libraries.

You are blaming parents while forgetting that drag is openly marketed at children by our councils, on social media and by activists under the guise of making our children tolerant of those diverse in the community.

adults need to take personal responsibility in safeguarding their children.
But safeguarding isn't just down to parental responsibility. Some parents are just crap and can't figure out what is appropriate. Some have nefarious motives and actively seek to break down children's barriers.
This is why we have societal safeguards as well as personal ones. In addition to the official channels, teachers,.police social workers, we have rules and social regulations. That's why kids can't buy alcohol or buy porn, go into 18 movies or nightclubs. You can't rely on perfect parenting.
And what people are pointing out is, with drag being normalised for children an extra layer of protection is stripped because it blurs the boundaries. If an actual primary school head green lights Flo Job as a suitable act for school then this act really isn't much less different.

No. Both need to take responsibility. Both parents and society in general (society in general includes the funders and bookers for events like these).

You are blaming parents while forgetting that drag is openly marketed at children by our councils, on social media and by activists under the guise of making our children tolerant of those diverse in the community.

I suggest you read my posts, because I have directly and explicitly said exactly this several times. I've made very very clear repeatedly that the NT fucked up badly, and have very explicitly criticised the culture that tries to normalise drag as being child-appropriate when it's not.

And what people are pointing out is, with drag being normalised for children an extra layer of protection is stripped because it blurs the boundaries.

I am one of the people pointing that out!

Ive read your posts, you need to clarify more and throw out insults and accusations less.

But you are blaming parents Dani.
You are calling them stupid and saying they should be referred to SS for taking their children to a drag show that is on at a reasonable time 6-7pm with no adult only warning while acknowledging that drag is being marketed towards children.