Drag queen banned by National Theatre

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

That 'joke' isn't OK even if you guaranteed that no one under 18 could possibly see or hear it (regardless of the fact that the NT/Southbank have been promoting the entire festival as family-friendly...)

The 'joke' (which isn't funny) is not OK because it's literally, explicitly, straightforwardly saying that adults should rape children. That's why it's not OK.

It doesn't matter one little fuck whether there were children to hear the 'joke' or not. It's not OK to normalise or to RECOMMEND raping children. I can't believe this has to be fucking said.

What part of these comments do you feel need clarification?

"I find the encroaching culture of sexualising children and normalising pedophilia to be extremely sinister and that it needs to be called out and named for what it is whenever it occurred."

"The NT utterly failed in not doing more to create a firm and clear boundary between the "family friendly" events, and the adult events."

"This speaks to a wider and much more sinister and insidious encroachment of childhood and the innocence of childhood - insidious grooming - that's a broader societal problem. But the NT specifically have to take responsibility for this, and banning this one performer is really the bare minimum."

"Both parents and society in general need to take responsibility (society in general includes the funders and bookers for events like these)."

Well said. The "joke" is utterly vile and abhorrent, and very dangerous.

Glad to see more posters taking it seriously.

Precisely. I said something similar on the other thread on this.

You cannot market drag to children and parents, howling down those who raise warnings about this as prudes & pearl clutchers, and then when all the boundaries have been blurred then go ‘wtf are parents doing taking kids to drag shows for?!’

It can’t work both ways. Drag shows shouldn’t be for kids. At any time.

Glad to see more posters taking it seriously.

That is very unfair!!

I cannot see 1 poster on this thread who hasn't taken this seriously.
You are very rude to anyone who does not post exactly to your demands and specifics.

I won't be engaging with you any further.

Utter nonsense.

I've been personally attacked, had all kinds of nasty false allegations made against me, had my posts really wildly twisted, and been gaslighted.

All because I am a survivor of CSA and a child protection advocate who makes calling out paedophilia my main priority.

People can post whatever the hell they like, I am perfectly entitled to say that I personally consider pro-paedophile comments much more serious and that they should be the focus of the thread, and that I have concerns about the attempts to derail the thread into a generic "drag is bad" as that takes the focus away from the paedophilia element, and can be used to discredit us.

Are you unfamiliar with how forums work? Someone disagreeing with you is not "demanding other posts to their exact specifications."

It's pretty bloody rich to accuse me of that in a thread where people were shouting at me that I should ignore what I personally witnessed, put the opinions of people who weren't even there above my actual ears and eyes, and posted all-caps rambling nonsense about me claiming I'm trying to be the "ARBITER OF ABSOLUTE TRUTH" just for saying "well I was actually there and personally witnessed it."

The insistence that people ignore their own eyes and ears and take their "TRUTH" from internet commentators' ideologies actually reminds me a lot of the TRA arguments.

If you genuinely care about child protection you need to look into safeguarding more, child protection and the wider context of how that 'joke' came to be included.

I personally find your 'parents should be responsible' position abhorrent, as if we did that it would leave the most vulnerable children without protection, but I accept you have your tunnel vision opinion but it's not informed.

I work in child protection and safeguarding is a major part of my job.

The abuse and gaslighting of CSA survivors on this thread is unreal.

What do you gain from being so extremely rude and aggressive towards women who speak up against the normalisation of paedophilia? What is your agenda?

Hello all. While we don't expect everyone to agree with each other, we'd like to remind posters of our Talk guidelines.

Please keep things civil and this discussion on track.

You are not the only person standing up against the normalisation of pedophilia

the thread on aibu had certain posters staunchly defending the joke…there isnt one person defending it on this thread

No one is defending the joke @DaniRabbity

Drag is about transgressing boundaries. You must know that.

So do you think there are two kinds of drag - one family friendly Ru Paul's drag race version and one darker adult one?

And if so, how is anyone supposed to be able to tell the difference?

Adult only show or not, is it ok to suggest children need to open their legs?

This link shows another show in the stage as part of publicity. Shows the stage. In the current climate advertising drags shows without the adult only caveat is irresponsible.

stagedoorapp.com/national-theatre/river-stage-2022?p=16572

To be honest I can't really see many shows actually aimed at children and familes

To be honest I can't really see many shows actually aimed at children and familes

Looking at the link there seems to be many shows aimed at children and families. It even says "plenty of activities for the whole family to enjoy"

It says there are, but only one about bees seems to be actually targetted at children. The dance ones may or may not be suitable but there is no indication of age ranges.

You are not the only person standing up against the normalisation of paedophilia.

No-one on this thread is standing up for the normalisation of paedophilia, no-one stop throwing about those kind of accusations you've already been deleted once for doing so. On the other thread there were indeed posters minimising and excusing what was said by Sharon Le Grande and insulting the self same posters that are on this thread who objected 100% to the comment made, you didn't appear on that thread to lend your support but here you are accusing those same posters who objected to the comment and were being insulted and dismissed of trying to normalise paedophilia.

I've been personally attacked, had all kinds of nasty false allegations made against me, had my posts really wildly twisted, and been gaslighted.

No you haven't. Your problem seems to be that you want posters to talk about what you want them to talk about and in the way you want them to talk about it.

People can post whatever the hell they like, I am perfectly entitled to say that I personally consider pro-paedophile comments much more serious and that they should be the focus of the thread, and that I have concerns about the attempts to derail the thread into a generic "drag is bad" as that takes the focus away from the paedophilia element, and can be used to discredit us.

It is not being de-railed into a generic 'drag is bad' thread and I don't share your view that it can be used to discredit us, is that okay? I'm allowed not to agree with you on that? The comment was made by a Drag Act in a Drag Show which gives it context and it is perfectly fair that posters draw parallels with the normalisation of Drag to children, the blurring of lines, the removal of boundaries all of which emboldens and enables that Drag Performer to make the comment he did. There are wider issues that just one comment.

This post of yours seems to be minimising the content because it was an ADULT ONLY show. Hmm.

Absolutely not, I was arguing that regardless of it being ‘adult only’, which some pps suggested, that sort of ‘joke’ would still not be appropriate.

It's actually very important that this made the news as it shows just how easily and quickly the lines between adult entertainment and child entertainment have been blurred.

I wonder if the drag queen who made the comment will be "cancelled" as is the norm these days or if because its drag they will just be ignored.

Exactly. The comment is completely unacceptable and normalises paedophilia, regardless of context. Period.

It's a real shame that certain posters are insisting on making personal attacks and libels despite having already had multiple posts removed, and after being asked by MNHQ to stop being abusive.

I have no idea what their agenda is in repeatedly attacking CSA survivors who are prioritising safeguarding but the attempts to discredit and silence women from speaking out about the importance of safeguarding will not work.

For those who have not read the thread there are 8 deleted posts.
1 is Danis 6 are posts quoting Danis deleted post and 2 are by When.

Not exactly a pile on/attack just incase new posters or lurkers are wondering.

I really think everyone on this thread is actually agreeing with each other, just objecting to some emphasises.

Can we stop arguing blacks and very dark greys, please? It's a pointless waste on energy, among people who basically agree.