Drag queen banned by National Theatre

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

Yes i thought that was the case

MNHQ have told everyone to be civil….

Aren't drag queens more for adults? Why are kids being shown them?

7pm is early - especially in hot midsummer. I'd expect children to be around until at least 9. Which is the television Watershed, isn't it? The show should have been clearly marked as restricted to adults.

I think the pile on on Dani is appalling. I don’t know if people are being deliberately obtuse or are so obsessed by their own agenda that they can’t understand. Dani was clear and unequivocal on calling out the abhorrent comment (words she used in her very first post). She was making the point that it is important to recite the facts correctly as otherwise valid points can be dismissed. I understand exactly what you were saying Dani so please don’t get upset - the posters deliberately twisting your posts are not worth it.

Exactly. The comment is completely unacceptable and normalises paedophilia, regardless of context. Period.

Not one single poster on this thread has said anything to the contrary.

It's a real shame that certain posters are insisting on making personal attacks and libels despite having already had multiple posts removed, and after being asked by MNHQ to stop being abusive.

As was explained by CrossStitchQueen, your post that personally attacked me is the first one to be deleted on this thread a further six posts were deleted for quoting your deleted post as it says in the deletion message and 2 of When's have been deleted which I didn't see prior to deletion so have no idea what they said.

I have no idea what their agenda is in repeatedly attacking CSA survivors who are prioritising safeguarding but the attempts to discredit and silence women from speaking out about the importance of safeguarding will not work.

Nobody is attacking you, you are not the only CSA survivor on this Board, safeguarding is prioritised and deemed paramount on this Board, people on this Board work in safeguarding - you are not unique, stop trying to foster the impression that you are the only one who cares, you are not which will be as clear as day to anyone reading this thread or the one in AIBU.

MNHQ erm what exactly was wrong with my post?

Drag acts are being promoted in schools and libraries and aimed at children. Thats fact.
The tag line used in such promotions is to increase tolerance of diverse groups. Again fact.

So why was my post deleted?

I actually think that teaching children to "open minds and hearts" is probably not as innocent as it sounds in this context, to be honest.

This. It horrifies me that anyone can make a ‘joke’ like this - I honestly cannot believe that any adult performer would not know that joking about sex with children is unacceptable.

‘Oooooh it’s not suitable for children!’

No - ‘jokes’ about pedophilia aren’t for anyone. If you are laughing at that you seriously need to reset your moral compass.

I firmly believe they thought they would get away with it because Drag, Diversity, LGBTQ+, they are normally teflon coated.

They had people taking off their tops to show double mastectomy scars. What kind of ‘entertainment’ is that?

Revolting. Did people actually laugh at that disgusting act?

You might not be familiar with the area/type of festival. I am - I grew up in London, am raising my own children here, and work in the arts.

These kind of outdoor, free, very public, summery things are often not aimed specifically at children - they are, rather, 'family friendly', so that you can meet up with friends, bring children or not, relax, drink, eat, maybe join in, and enjoy yourself. We were (are? not sure) planning to go to the Hofesh Schechter weekend to meet adult friends, along with our children.

I did look at the full line-up when it was being promoted a couple of weeks ago and thought that the 'Glory' weekend was a bit out of keeping with the general Southbank, family, summer vibe, and would not have considered going to it, but I never thought the content would be as bad as this.

Maybe this 'joke' isn't extreme for a drag act in a club - I don't know, it's been a while since I've seen one - but that just indicates how much drag in general is really working in an area, and with a discourse, that isn't at all fit to involve children in.

Who the hell finds pedophilia funny?

Having read the thread Dani seems most concerned that people's posts on here might imply drag is a bad thing. I think it is important to be clear on this:

Drag is a bad thing

Dani perhaps you could to explain why you think an act celebrating a misogynistic, sexualised woman-face piss-take of women is not a bad thing? And how such an act does not lead to the denigration of women? And why someone who places safeguarding so highly thinks no one should question drag?

I'm also struck that a self-proclaimed safeguarding expert should think a publically accessible free early evening festival would not attract families at 7pm and therefore it is appropriate to put on adult entertainment at this time? Publicity is neither here nor there when it takes place somewhere where families will chance upon it.

Not everyone thinks drag is mainly or even usually at all a "piss-take on women".

I don't really like drag, for a few reasons, and sometimes it can be misogynistic, but I don't think it's mainly a piss take on women either, I think it has more to do with how (some) gay men take on elements of femininity and transform them into something else because of their sexuality being oriented towards men. Which is a real thing, sexuality can affect how people adopt cultural expressions of masculinity and femininity, it's pretty common and I think not well understood in an academic kind of way. But people do have an experience of that and imo drag comes out of that.

It's entirely possible for people to disagree on that question though and agree that the joke was out of line, and also that the presentation of drag to kids is seriously problematic.

I don't have much to add, other than to say that I was on the South Bank on Saturday night and any passer by can see and hear what's happening on the Riverside stage, so it needs to be content that's suitable for all.

Was listening to the radio about how Mordant was saying how It Ain’t Half Hot Mum was racist, sexist, homophobia, white privileged, transphobic (of course), etc etc etc. and I thought ‘and she probably thinks drag is absolutely cutting edge humour and absolutely hunky dory???’

Who fucking cares what time it was or whether the public could hear?

The performer made a paedophilic 'joke' on stage at a National Theatre event, and instead of getting up and walking out, the audience laughed and carried on watching the show.

We have learnt nothing. Nothing. Even when it's in plain fucking sight people are too scared to do anything, or they just don't give a shit.

Seems people have forgotten about Jimmy Saville already......

It's entirely possible for people to disagree on that question though and agree that the joke was out of line, and also that the presentation of drag to kids is seriously problematic

absolutely

Thing is, that show was so long ago I can't remember how bad it was. In my memory, while it was all the things she says, it was also pretty tolerant. As in, the straight white guys were not the heroes of the piece, and all the minority oppressed characters were actually the 'wise fools', if you like. Merrily going on their way, despite every attempt of the establishment to put them in their box.

Disclaimer- I was a kid last time I saw it!

I remember the officers being the fools that were often the ‘losers’ in the episodes. I assume we’d look at it now and be horrified (has MAS*H had the same ‘cancellation’?).

But in comparison to drag? Well I guess drag just rags on women so it’s ok…

I'd forgotten. Klinger wore woman's clothes to prove he was insane.

Totally cancelable.