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Drag queen banned by National Theatre

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 09:07

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11027323/Drag-star-banned-National-Theatre-joking-children-taught-open-LEGS.html

Did anyone post about this yet?

Maybe now those cutesy story times will be ended too. THIS is what women have been shouting about. The mindset of many grad queens, the other shit in their working lives, SM streams etc. THIS!

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DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:19

No, I am "touchy" about posters trying to derail a conversation about pedophilia.

I was there. I know what happened and what didn't.

Anyone who drags their children to an adult evening drag show needs an SS referral.

The OP is the only person I've seen who claims to have been there and she didn't have children with her. I do not believe her claims that there were "loads of children" because I was there and didn't see any children, and the photos don't show any children.

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12BottlesOfVintageChampagne · 20/07/2022 15:22

Bickering aside, and whether there were children in attendance or not, if you create events like DQSH, and normalise attending these with children, it's hardly surprising that people fail to see a distinction between suitable and unsuitable drag shows.

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:24

No, I am "touchy" about posters trying to derail a conversation about pedophilia.

But they are not doing that. As I said the discussion has evolved and as it was a drag act that made the comment the discussion will include people's opinions on drag.

I was there. I know what happened and what didn't.

So you say but I have no idea if that's true. The others say they were there too with children who heard why should I believe you and not them?

Anyone who drags their children to an adult evening drag show needs an SS referral.

Again people said you could here it not just from the stage area but outside of that part.

You are demanding everyone believe you but as this is the Internet we have no idea if you are being truthful.
What we do know is that the comment was made and children present or not it was vile and they are rightly banned.

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:26

12BottlesOfVintageChampagne · 20/07/2022 15:22

Bickering aside, and whether there were children in attendance or not, if you create events like DQSH, and normalise attending these with children, it's hardly surprising that people fail to see a distinction between suitable and unsuitable drag shows.

Yes, I completely agree.

The NT utterly failed in not doing more to create a firm and clear boundary between the "family friendly" events, and the adult events.

(Of course this speaks to a wider and much more sinister and insidious encroachment of childhood and the innocence of childhood - insidious grooming - that's a broader societal problem. But the NT specifically have to take responsibility for this, and banning this one performer is really the bare minimum.)

VestofAbsurdity · 20/07/2022 15:27

I was there. I know what happened and what didn't.

So I can assume that you immediately complained to the National Theatre about the performer and their comment can I?

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:28

Anyone who drags their children to an adult evening drag show needs an SS referral.

Looking at the events page that shows the acts and times at no piont does it state adult only or adult content. You can't expect people to accept drag shows in schools then blame them for thinking a drag show at 6:30pm would be unsuitable.

VestofAbsurdity · 20/07/2022 15:28

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Quoting my own post @DaniRabbity you going to apologise for your personal attack on me and retract what you have accused me of?

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:35

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:24

No, I am "touchy" about posters trying to derail a conversation about pedophilia.

But they are not doing that. As I said the discussion has evolved and as it was a drag act that made the comment the discussion will include people's opinions on drag.

I was there. I know what happened and what didn't.

So you say but I have no idea if that's true. The others say they were there too with children who heard why should I believe you and not them?

Anyone who drags their children to an adult evening drag show needs an SS referral.

Again people said you could here it not just from the stage area but outside of that part.

You are demanding everyone believe you but as this is the Internet we have no idea if you are being truthful.
What we do know is that the comment was made and children present or not it was vile and they are rightly banned.

You can clearly see that there are no children present from the photos.

You talk about not automatically believing me but have no problem automatically believing the goady poster who claimed "loads of parents" took their children to an adult drag show hosted by someone with the F word in their name, without a lick of proof, and without bothering to do basic fact checking?

It's very easy to look up photos from the evening performances (the ones from the Daily Mail were from much earlier in the day), or look up the layout of the event and the sightlines of the stage.

The stage does not face the river path and the photos show that there was a crowd in front of the stage. Fairly logical then that passers by who were outside of the audience area (so looking at the stage from right angles and through the crowd) would not easily be able to see the stage. Just common sense.

In terms of sound, obviously you can hear the music as music carries. Able to clearly hear individual lines of dialogue from a distance? Hmmm.

For anyone who hasn't been there themselves, the reason I am sceptical of the poster's claim is because it's a busy and noisy area with lots of competing noise. There's an outdoor bar right around the corner playing music through loudspeakers, plus a busy food market with hundreds of people eating dinner and drinking basically next to it, plus hundreds of people milling on the terrace directly above preparing to go in to watch one of the two plays start. That's a lot of ambient noise and other music and other speaker systems, for vocal speech to be competing against. I could easily hear the music and general roar of the crowd from some distance away, but struggled to make out individual dialogue even when I was right in front of the stage, because there was so much competing noise.

That is why I don't believe that person.

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:36

VestofAbsurdity · 20/07/2022 15:27

I was there. I know what happened and what didn't.

So I can assume that you immediately complained to the National Theatre about the performer and their comment can I?

Yes I did.

VestofAbsurdity · 20/07/2022 15:38

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DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:38

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:28

Anyone who drags their children to an adult evening drag show needs an SS referral.

Looking at the events page that shows the acts and times at no piont does it state adult only or adult content. You can't expect people to accept drag shows in schools then blame them for thinking a drag show at 6:30pm would be unsuitable.

Why are you ignoring my comment:

"The NT utterly failed in not doing more to create a firm and clear boundary between the "family friendly" events, and the adult events."

What part of "hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck" makes you think it's suitable for children?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 15:39

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 13:57

Please don't conflate paedophilia with drag, it's dangerous, and is exactly the kind of thing that can and is used to discredit us and make out that we're bigots who are pretending to care about safeguarding.

Hear the music? Yes of course.

Hear individual comments spoken on stage? As someone who was actually there, no I don't believe that. Even when I was inside the audience area, I had a hard time making out the dialogue.

See the performers on the tiny stage with a thick crowd jumping up and down right in front of it? No.

Your problem is that this specific drag artist did that, explicitly. At a venue that was not adult only. A venue that is effectively in the open air. With a damn good sound system.

Insisting that you have the ONLY truth is a dangerous position to take up!

Especially when the venue seems to disagree with you!

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CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:41

Why are you ignoring my comment:

I am not.

What part of "hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck" makes you think it's suitable for children?

As I said on their own events page it does not state that as my screen shot shows so people attending may not have been aware given that the National theaters own events page does not say it is hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck.

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DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:42

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 15:39

Your problem is that this specific drag artist did that, explicitly. At a venue that was not adult only. A venue that is effectively in the open air. With a damn good sound system.

Insisting that you have the ONLY truth is a dangerous position to take up!

Especially when the venue seems to disagree with you!

Please post a link from the NT that explicitly states "the stage can be seen and heard by those outside the immediate area."

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:45

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:41

Why are you ignoring my comment:

I am not.

What part of "hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck" makes you think it's suitable for children?

As I said on their own events page it does not state that as my screen shot shows so people attending may not have been aware given that the National theaters own events page does not say it is hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck.

You've screencapped the event page for Friday.

The event in question was on the Saturday.

The event page for Saturday does say "hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck."

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 20/07/2022 15:47

I'm not sure I agree with DM picking up content from MN but in this case it appears to be a good choice as a good result has come out of it.

As I mentioned in the previous post, I personally find a lot of drag queens quite insulting in various ways.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/07/2022 15:48

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:42

Please post a link from the NT that explicitly states "the stage can be seen and heard by those outside the immediate area."

As I said. You have set yourself up as the arbiter of the ONLY TRUTH. Nothing anyone else who was present can say will dissuade you, or hasn't so far!

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CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:50

I have screen shot all of the events on Saturday from the same page and there is no event listed for drag acts.

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VestofAbsurdity · 20/07/2022 15:51

No, because I have not relentlessly attacked you, I questioned whether you were saying the other people who say they heard the comment and saw the act although not in the audience were lying, and I'm not talking about the OP of the other thread.

I have repeatedly said the comment was abhorrent, as stated I (and others) were subjected to various insults for doing so on the other thread, for you to now claim that I am a paedophile apologist is repugnant and shows that you have neither read my posts on this thread or any others on this site. My posting history will show that I am unequivocally anti-paedophilia and hard core on safeguarding children.

You kept saying we had to divorce Drag from the comment - the comment was made during a Drag Act by a Drag performer.

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 15:52

CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:50

I have screen shot all of the events on Saturday from the same page and there is no event listed for drag acts.

This is the events page for Saturday.

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CrossStichQueen · 20/07/2022 15:54

Ok so where on there does it say hosted by Sue Gives A Fick?

Headbandheart · 20/07/2022 15:54

DaniRabbity · 20/07/2022 12:04

The joke is abhorrent but please bear in mind that this was an ADULT-ONLY show performed in the evening.

The Daily Mail are being dishonest and goady in describing it as "a family friendly festival" and in claiming the act performed in front of "young families."

The festival does include other events (on completely different days) that are suitable for families and children, but this particular event was advertised and marketed as being for adults only. I work next door and the ushers certainly would not have let any children inside the audience. I was there and didn't see any children.

The original thread actually turned into a bit of a bunfight with posters pointing out that it was an adult-only show and that any parent trying to sneak children in was being irresponsible.

Last time I looked paedophillic activities is a criminal offence

doesn’t matter that it was sold as adult theme entertainment

since when is encouraging paedophiles acceptable in public performance to anyone

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