Kemi Badenoch through to next round

[InTheCanteen]

If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

@Blossomtoes

Yes, but it shows not all Tory voters want the rich to get richer. I’d say it’s almost the opposite.

😂 OK.

@Blossomtoes

It is with working class Tory voters. They want to be better off, so they vote for what they believe will be a low tax party. It’s not rocket science.

It’s not any kind of science. Plain bonkers is what that reasoning is but you carry on. I can’t be arsed to reason with someone who judges politicians on their looks and thinks Johnson’s a liberal who performed well at PMQ.

@Blossomtoes

Johnson is a liberal. It’s a matter of record.

Why do you think so many working class people vote Tory, then?

rent and price controls have been policies of the Conservative and Labour governments in the U.K. and Conservative governments throughout Europe.

the government can pass laws or issue statutory instruments .

it’s not difficult.

No, I’d never heard of her a week or two ago.
I’ve listened since then and don’t like most of what she says at all.
this whole thing is a dreadful race to the bottom.

Is it Starmer who wants to pull out of the ECHR?
Who is it that is messing with your rights?

If you're going to pick up on my posts you could at least do me the courtesy of noting that not once have I said I plan to vote Tory. All I am asking of Labour is that they leave women's rights alone, and the fact that some posters seem to think this is an unreasonable demand is a perfect demonstration of how the left lost my support.

@jgw1 do you disagree with Prof Winston then that our sex is coded into our every cell? Robert Winston: Trans surgery is mutilation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7828d9fe-02e5-11ed-aa15-45d37b45dc0d?shareToken=6c95bce5332f912f66cff191af960538

Why would I disagree with him?

All I have been trying and failing to establish is what is meant by a man and a woman. It seems that it is a surprisingly hard question to answer.

So we are defining male as XY and female as XX?

Nope

The vast vast amount of self declared feminists on FWR...not necessarily on this thread... are on the left and are very upset that they feel politically homeless and that they feel that labour haven't stepped up

It's on thread after thread after thread...

You'd also have to be fairly hard of thinking to think that a comment regarding someone else's declared political leanings says anything whatsoever about mine

Someone said the other day that feminism is always on the left as it deals with the oppression of a class of people

No idea if it's true per se...but I thought it was interesting

There are certainly a lot of feminists on this board who are very angry with the left. And, as I've said already, a party hoping to overturn a 70+ majority in a single election would do well to take note instead of ignoring their requests to talk, and refusing them a stand at their conference.

@jgw1 is the lack of Y chromosome not good enough to define female, as in adult human female, aka woman?

In all cells or just some?

Why are the embryo questions ignored and we get stuck with same lines again

@jgw1 what are you after, residual Y in mothers of boys or mosaicism? Please tell which cells have Y chromosomes in women?

Agreed Floisme. I want to vote labour in the next election and can't believe we have to watch all this going on in the tories because the trans extremists have taken power with their "no such thing as a woman" drivel and "you're a bigot if you dare speak the truth and we'll hound you out of the party..

I'm after an answer to what a man and a woman are, that is all, apparently it is not complicated.

‘Someone said the other day that feminism is always on the left as it deals with the oppression of a class of people’

This ill-defines both feminism and the left. Left wing politics isn’t about ‘the oppression of a class of people’. The rich were oppressed during the French Revolution (murdered by a mob). That doesn’t make them left wing.

Feminism is about the oppression of women. Rich women, poor women, white women, black women. Just women, for being women.

Left wing politics is about economic power. Namely, more power is held by people with more money, and money is appropriated by people who do less work from people who do more work.

It's interesting how many people seem to think overturning this majority is such a doddle that they can afford to sneer at voters who've supported Labour all their lives.

@jgw1 I've given you a definition- no Y chromosome-you suggest it's not helpful, can you expand?

Sneering seems to be the default tone of the left these days

They won’t care about votes just that it’s done from a place of self appointed superiority - for some unbeknownst reason. It has ramped up in last few years and is very off putting.