Kemi Badenoch through to next round

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If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

Nope. Her knowing what a woman is does not automatically make her the best candidate. I find her naive to be honest - she really thinks that education cuts and slashing the civil service is going to make the UK a better place? Her politics smacks of 'I did alright so why would anybody else need any extra help?'.

No thank you.

Please can the anti-Kemi crowd let me know the leadership candidates who will bolster the welfare state, increase spending in schools and roll back austerity?

This can’t be a serious point.

You’re really doing a disservice to the cause of upholding what a woman is by pretending it is the only way to help women in society.

@lifeturnsonadime

That is horrendous, I didn't know that. I do have a child of school age too.

What key in what you said however is this is Tory Party policy. It is not making a choice here between LD, Tory, Labour, Greens and indies.
It is an INTERNAL election, choosing the best from a bad bunch. There is a clear difference.
I hope Conservatives for Women can make the right choice.

Exactly. Teaching to the middle, goodbye to carefully planned interventions. So a good third of the class sit there with not the foggiest idea of what's going on and there's no support to help them even if they do feel confident to raise their hand. Then of course when results plummet it'll be the teachers' faults.

As somebody who has ever met a child, I would not wish the approach of my childhood on any child today. Going backwards is not progress.

I have to admit I was a big fan of KB until I heard that excerpt from her speech. As a teacher I don't want to teach gender ideology as fact, but I also don't want the already woeful education funding to be cut.

I'm also curious what funding she thinks goes to 'peripheral activities'. I devote endless evenings and weekends each year to putting on a school show unpaid and funded by ticket sales from the year before.

This is what Kemi said:

"We must require schools to concentrate on effective whole class teaching of rigorous subjects rather than allocating tight resources to superfluous support staff and peripheral activities."

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.spectator.co.uk/article/read-kemi-badenoch-s-bid-for-prime-minister/amp

it puts the fear of God into parents with children with SEN because we rely on the 'superfluous' support staff to support our children to enable them to access education.

I also think the vision for education shows a lack of imagination.

I really dont think Kemi Badenoch will be good for women and families.

I would really like to have much more information on what she'd think this would look like.

I am not keen on some of what she says here, but I'm also not at all happy with the way classes look now. And part of that is that I do think some of the underlying philosophy of total (or near total) inclusion is simply unworkable and it is the case that money gets spent on trendy new things that are often not actually helpful. Tech is a good example, there can be some specific uses it can be a real help, but a lot gets spent on faddish crap.

Again: please, please, please stop telling women what to care about, what to prioritise, what to vote for. If Labour want my vote, they have to hear my voice. At the moment they are not hearing me so they can whistle for it.

The Taliban know what a woman is. I wouldn't vote for them either.

What about women that are negatively affected by the rolling back of the state? Poor women, sick women, disabled women.... do they not count, because the threat to them doesn't also affect you?

Can you tell me which of the candidates are prioritising these wimen? Because I bet it's a big fat zero.

Mangy: There's no good specialist provision for children like mine out there. It doesn't exist. There is a 2.5 year waiting list for assessments and EHCPs are like hen's teeth.

My child's school can't afford to get the toilets repaired or to get decent library books. There is no money left for gimmicks or trendy things.

I do think schools need to reformed and rethought so that young people are equipped to meet the needs of the future workforce. But, schools need to be released from central government fads and controls, in order to find the best operating model.

Thank you! Kemi has my vote.

And I think instead of people scaremongering, she has a show on with Iain Dale on LBC at 7:30 tonight, so why not phone in and ask her to clarify her stance?

She hasn't even gone through to the leadership debate, so all this ridiculous projection of what people think she's going to do, is absurd.

It's not ridiculous projection - it's people basing comments on her own words.

@lifeturnsonadime has set out very clearly the reasons why Kemi Badenoch is dangerous and why emails requesting MPs to support her should NOT be sent.

If anything, we should be leaning on them NOT to support her.

She once hacked Harriet Harman's website, so criminal activity there too and I don't think she sees a problem. Echoes of Boris in some ways?

She's my MP, and a terrible one too. She's pissed off the local press at times too in a true blue Tory constituency. She's a nightmare. She only gets into parliament because so many people round here vote for anything or anyone with a blue rosette attached.

This can’t be a serious point.You’re really doing a disservice to the cause of upholding what a woman is by pretending it is the only way to help women in society

I'm serious yes, but I also did not suggest this was the only way to help women. That's your extraneous and unwarranted addition.

Regardless being clear on who you are helping is a pretty fundamental start point.

Have a look at what's happening re: Refuges in Scotland where women are being told to educate themselves having fled male violence and objecting to being "helped" by an organisation that welcomes men into what should be single sex spaces - because they identify as women.

Right now there is a huge pull on resources formally for vulnerable women being redirected to men.

It's everywhere. Workplace diversity targets for example. The recent Halifax tweet supporting trans rights where women working there are paid (I think the figure was 27%) far less than average than men.

The rise of violent/sexual crime committed by "women". The incarceration of violent men in the female estate full of predominantly vulnerable non-violent women.

The whole problem starts at ground zero by being clear on what a woman is.

If we have a PM who erodes that definition we are in real trouble.

She hasn't even gone through to the leadership debate, so all this ridiculous projection of what people think she's going to do, is absurd

I watched her leadership speech yesterday. Everything I’ve said is based on what I’ve heard her say.

The unquestioning assumption that she’d be a good pm based on one issue is absurd. I really feel like this board has lost its way on this.

But Boris knows what a women is and this stuff is still happening so im not sure the pm knowing really helps.

Kemi is no friend to women or girls. She is right-right wing. Awful and not a feminist.

They are saying that. They’ve been saying that for months. And it’s insane. For someone without a vote in this it’s genuinely terrifying that these are the people who are getting to decide who our next PM is. I want this scrapped and a general election instead please.

I think Sunak will win with the Tory membership votes share.
And will be our next PM.

Ive never voted Labour ever, but would right now if there was a snap GE.

The Tories won’t be stupid enough to call an election- they’d lose their majority at best. They know this so will carry on until 2024.

They had Boris in as a one trick pony- get Brexit done. That’s all don’t now.
They are dreadful and have run out of ideas.

Yet many voters would still vote this shambles in.

@Topseyt123 she apologised for the Harriet Harman thing which sounds like a silly prank she did in her 20's and I believe Harman accepted her apology, especially as she never would have been caught, if she hadn't confessed herself in an interview years later.

This is really desperate stuff. I will not be leaning on anyone not to support her. One of the Tory Candidates has to get in by the 5th of September and putting your hands over your ears, and stomping your feet like a five year old, will not prevent that outcome

Maybe it would be a good idea to look at her voting record on a wide range of issues that effects us all as human beings in order to determine whether she should be leader?
www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25693/kemi_badenoch/saffron_walden/votes

None of them, but Kemi Badenoch is about the worst. She will bring back austerity, even if she avoids saying that word.

She's my MP and is dreadful. She pisses plenty of people off around here and only gets in because it is a true blue Tory constituency and anything wearing a blue rosette gets the vote (not mine).

For someone without a vote in this it’s genuinely terrifying that these are the people who are getting to decide who our next PM is. I want this scrapped and a general election instead please.

This is democracy. We don’t elect PMs directly, which is what everyone was saying when BJ was saying he had a mandate (he did - through the election of MPs representing the Tory party). We elect MPs, and MPs decide who leads them.