gender woo and voting

[dropthevipers]

Is party stance on gender woo a deal breaker for you? I am/have been a center left type my whole life, would never previously have even considered voting tory-but I cannot vote for parties that spout manifest bollocks. How about you? Or you friends?

Previously I have questioned the specific candidates and so far found that some are often much less TWAW than the party line, so I have never faced a real dilemma

Same here: centre-left voter who's voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green at various points, never Conservative. Now politically homeless.

When it comes to it, I guess I'll ask all candidates their take on gender, and balance the answer with their party's wider set of priorities. So not single issue, but definitely gender as a major issue.

I think my ideal would be a Gender Critical Lib Dem. But that combination of words marks them out as a rare breed as surely as Gloucester Old Spot.

Same here. I am appalled that leading politicians accept trans ideology or refuse to explain where they stood.So I'll never vote for Sturgeon or Starmer.

Never? Would you vote for them if they came to their senses?

Not quite?

The thing is that it's pretty much 100% of the time accompanied by other things that I think are seriously objectionable, mainly identity politics, often a rather late 19th century kind of racism, and authoritarianism, particularly in relation to freedom of thought and expression but also within political parties and various social institutions including universities and even scientific institutions.

Those together, for me, are a complete no-go, there is no way I could vote for a party taking that approach.

Pretty much a single issue voter here too. I even spoiled my ballot paper because of this once (never thought I'd do that).

I won’t vote for my own erasure, or for pseudo-medical malpractice in relation to kids.

I am a lifelong Labour voter, trade union member etc, and - in what is effectively a two-party race - I just can't swap from Labour to Tory. Women's rights are very important to me and I speak up for them whenever I safely can, but they're not the only issue. I believe Labour can be better on cost of living, relations with the EU, investment in housing and education and the NHS etc whilst still pretending to believe in something offensively mad.

I live in a very safe Labour seat, so I could make a protest vote against the MP who thinks I am a dinosaur, but I'd only do that knowing he will still win - so it doesn't really count. My protest vote would be either Communist or potentially Green/other lefty party depending on local candidates' individual views, though- not Tory or Lib Dem. They're no friend of women either.

Different elements of what Pottering and Nell said sums up my thoughts.

I could never vote Tory and women have and will suffer from the Tories especially poor women.

if I was in England it would be the issue I would vote on. As it is in Scotland, gender-woo and independence are my two issues that I would never vote for.
Both are major issues that couldn’t be easily reversed, so I have to keep concentrating on them.

My local Labour candidate is pissing me off on an important local issue. But even if he wasn't, he's trotting out the "it's complicated/TWAW" line - I asked him specifically- so he won't get my vote.
Next constituency along is a Labour good guy that I have a lot of time for. But I fear he's drunk the KoolAid so, if he were my MP (and he might be in a boundary change) I wouldn't vote for him.

If the Tories have any sense, they will make sex vs gender a key electoral talking point. It's about all they have left. I fear for LGB people being dragged into that. And for people actually suffering with dysphoria who have been so badly let down by the AGP brigade.

I spoiled my ballot in the last election I voted in (local).

I have no idea what I'd do in a general election. Centre Left but can't vote for Labour for an assortment of reasons (gender woo, clueless about the countryside, long hangover from the exposure of the far Left's antisemitic underbelly). Can't vote LibDem (their attitude to GC members stinks and their TWAW attitude is off the scale batshit).

Another spoilt ballot at this rate.

I will vote for whoever will separate sex from gender. Single sex spaces and services exist for a reason. They were fought for for a reason.

I'm more than happy to support the creation of extra spaces, but will never agree to erase womens services. I will also never vote for anyone who thinks it's ok to describe us a biological functions or body parts.

I would need some very convincing proof that that had happened. Even if Starmer et al recanted you cannot un say what you said. In which case you were either woefully mistaken (which makes your judgement suspect) or you were saying it for reasons of expediency, which makes you bent.

No, I’m poor.

I saw someone on Twitter (sorry I can't remember who) saying they would not vote for a party purely because they stated what a woman was, but that there was no way they would vote for a party who wouldn't.

I think that sums up my current position.

I'm similar, although I've only started voting Labour in recent years. In spite of the fact that I don't like their position on gender, I see Labour as the only hope of getting rid of the Tories, who I think are doing a lot of damage to the country, including women. So, reluctantly, I will vote Labour.

I'm poor and disabled and until identity politics took over have always voted Labour & Green; but Labour supported austerity measures and UC. They've been a spectacularly useless opposition to one of the worst governments in living memory. On a personal level, my own MP seems to have my email on a black list.
I don't see them being better on poverty, equality, or women's rights.

Once we allow self ID, we have lost. That's it. Game over. Look at every country that has self ID. Look at the situation for vulnerable women in prison, in hospitals, in psychiatric care, every women experiencing domestic abuse, who needs an abortion.

And if you really can't bring yourself to do that then ask yourself what is your feminism for and why are you here?

It’s going to take a huge amount of political will to dismantle the grip transgender ideology has on the police, the NHS, the courts, the MoJ, education, local government, sports etc. It can’t be done by the left, and I say that with much sadness. Unless people are prepared to hold their noses and elect a Tory, it’s not going away. Our kids will be taught about pronouns and their teachers will be explaining about how sex work is work, unless we get serious and fix it.

This ^^

Same issue in US. The dems won’t even use the words woman or mother now. Even when talking about abortion. Yet they are now campaigning on the Supreme Court decision. Biden is talking about women’s power but he’s had a track record of opposing Roe V Wade and the dems have never made an effort to create a federal law in 50 years. It’s all a big joke and the joke is on women.

It’s a very convenient time for the dems this topic (abortion rights) to come up. They are in pretty big trouble right now. Convincing women that they actually care about us would help.

However, there’s no way I can vote for any of the trump supported crazies. And the middle of the road people on either side seem to have exited stage left.

So voting for those who are literally leaving millions of women and children to starve and wish to abolish equality legislation, abortion rights, further limit trade union rights and the right to demonstrat is acceptable because the relatively small number of trans people- whose actual impact on your lives - as opposed to moral panics in this forum or on twitter- is almost non-existent

Whose backing Suella Braverman for leader- with her exemplary mumsnet positions on what you call "genderwoo"?

Yes, I am a single issue voter on this. All promises from any political
party are meaningless unless that party clearly defines who they apply to. I wish Labour would see this, I simply cannot vote for them given their current stance.