gender woo and voting

[dropthevipers]

Is party stance on gender woo a deal breaker for you? I am/have been a center left type my whole life, would never previously have even considered voting tory-but I cannot vote for parties that spout manifest bollocks. How about you? Or you friends?

This is a trend that has occurred in many countries around the world

It’s where it has the high water mark that differs

Some are still embracing it and the U.K. at least the tide is turning

That was re not being on Labour’s radar last time, that is the case in many countries all with similar timelines

That does not mean much, as a party that has fully embraced it since

Have you considered Alba? Know you're anti independence but might still be a fit as it seems to have placed transphobia at the heart of its policy platform. Alex Salmond is famously an ally to women...

The lie that women who know what sex is must be right wing or 'transphobic' are a pathetic attempt to smear people you don't agree with rather than come up with any actual arguments.

As far as I'm aware Jamie Wallis MP has said "I'm trans" and nothing beyond that.

But it's fascinating to see how the mere existence of openly trans people upsets GC people. The line between being GC and openly transphobic does seem almost non-existent.

Jamie Wallis is alleged to have run mail-order bride and sugar daddy websites. He crashed his car drunk, if I have that right? His identity is the least of my worries. I couldn’t care less.

Hearach15 was unaware of any of that since googling Jamie's name no longer brings many of those facts up, and Jamie's Wikipedia page has been cleaned up to reflect Jamie's new identity.

And you didn't refer to that, you just said he (his current preffered pronouns) is "a TRA ticking timebomb".

Beyond actually being trans I'm unaware of him actually being saying anything about trans rights.

@Hearach15

No I didn’t, that was someone else. I agree, Wallis seems very restrained and genuine about his identity.

My stance is that I will not vote for anyone else who undermines womans rights and child safeguarding by buying in to gender identity ideology.

Last election I researched the views on this topic of each candidate.

The only candidate who met the criteria was Tory, but I did not wish to vote for them as I disagree with them on many other issues.

As such I spoiled my ballot by naming the labour candidate and explaining why I did not vote for them.

I'm likely to do the same again.

I'm not prepared to put this issue aside for "the greater good" and am heartily sick of women being expected to do so.

Other women feel differently and that's fine - we are not a hive mind.

Ah, I apologise for mistakenly quote replying to the wrong person.

@Hearach15

No problem.

NOT alleged. Look up Jamie Wallace on Companies House, you can see his directorship of Sugar daddy. He's a creepy creep

It's a deal breaker for me, I would never vote tory either unless they had a sensible more centrist grown up in charge. Therefore I don't vote, didn't last time, probably won't next time.

That was Jamie Wallace, he can't hide the screenshots and there are a few threads here about him.

Why is anyone trying to make this a UK politics issue? It's a global issue. As far as I know Johnson, the Tory party, doesn't make laws in any other country. This is a worldwide, maybe a real first world issue. One that started small and, when the first smoke signals went up, sounded so daft, far fetched, ludicrous, nobody too much notice.

Now we can see precisely where all of that lobbying led we are still being told it's all in our heads. Being raped, killed, denied access, sacked, harrassed, bullied, threatened and doxxed online and in real life has never happened to any woman. We are experiencing global hysteria.

Stand down ladies, stand down!

Pshaw!

He's a software engineer who previously ran a Sugar Daddy website. And a Thai bride website. And a service that can clean the Internet records of paedophiles.

His coming out statement was part coming out as trans and part coming out as a shady as fuck chap with recent police involvement in his life.

He didn't tell his wife or children first.
He didn't tell his constituents when he was canvassing.

Does the blue rosette blind you from the textbook case that's infront of you @Hearach15?

How are you applying this logic to the Conservative Party? This trans shitshow was their making. Self ID was their proposal. Male bodied folk in women's spaces massively increased under their eye, as did trans presenting teens.

And now they've noticed the problems and are rowing it back. Meanwhile the leader of the Labour Party still thinks transwomen are women and it's offensive to talk about cervixes. It's a basic issue of trust. If Labour are so wrong about this, what else are they wrong on? If they think that transpeople are the most persecuted of all minorities, which clearly they're not, then what else are they wrong on?

Sorry, got myself in a muddle there. Didn't mean to quote. Where's the edit button on this thing?

He is not remotely restrained about his trans status. He is lapping up the all the compliment and getting to know all his new friends in parliament.

I wonder what his next "stunning and brave" move will be?🤔 At the minute he is one of the most powerful people in the country, Conservative MPs want his vote for leader.

Penny Mordaunt is running, but even if she doesn't get the top job, she will be appointed a minister.

Some of the women who found themselves down the station for saying stuff were there because of complaints to the police by Tory MPs.

Some Conservatives know what a woman is.
Some Conservatives don't.
None of them give a shit.

I've always been an issues voter and never been a "tribe" voter. My opinions on what policies would be best change with new evidence and changing circumstances. I've voted all across the political map and I've always been a bit baffled by people who seem to receive and then stick unquestioningly to a political ideology from the time they're barely more than children.

That said, I do think the gender ideology issue is very important because of the massive effect it can have on fully half of the population. I also have a clear and abiding hatred of identity politics and the racialised rhetoric that Labour seem to want desperately to import from the US.

I joined the conservative party (the first party I've ever had membership with) specifically to have a say in their leadership contest, and if I get the chance I'll vote for Kemi Badenoch.

No its not a dealbreaker issue in terms of voting at the moment. Its an important issue and i know that currently both greens and labour are crap on this issue, but I still would never vote tory ever.

I was horrified to see people on here choosing to forget all Boris Johnson's ridiculousness and incompetence as soon as they got a whiff of him being onside when it comes to defining women.

That's when I realised that single issue voting can be disastrous, whatever the issue.

So no, I'll be considering all the issues, and while we have a party in power who don't give a stuff about poverty and disability (and many other things I care about) I'll be voting for a party that does. I might be GC but that's not all that I care about.

‘I might be GC but that's not all that I care about.’

It’s not all I care about either. But it’s my line in the sand. Can’t vote for reality denial.

What is it about him that you find restrained and genuine?

Labour will not be bringing in self ID, and will not be getting shot of safe spaces.