gender woo and voting

[dropthevipers]

Is party stance on gender woo a deal breaker for you? I am/have been a center left type my whole life, would never previously have even considered voting tory-but I cannot vote for parties that spout manifest bollocks. How about you? Or you friends?

@antifascist
I don’t want to vote for the Tories. I will vote for them to help to resist anti-scientific, authoritarian nonsense being imposed on my children. Cope.

Even if Starmer et recanted you cannot unsay what you said. In which case you were woefully mistaken (which makes you judgement suspect) or you were saying it for reasons of expediency which makes you bent.

How are you applying this logic to the Conservative Party? This trans shitshow was their making. Self ID was their proposal. Male bodied folk in women's spaces massively increased under their eye, as did trans presenting teens.

so you do want to vote for the Tories- since I can't imagine that what you describe as "anti-scientific, authoritarian nonsense being imposed on my children" makes any material difference to your life whatsoever, or that of your neighbours or friends - you wouldn't even know it was happening if you didn't spend so much time on here

Yes. If Labour get in and bring in self-ID, allow children to transition without having to have medium-term, high-quality therapy to establish whether they're dysphoric or not, continuing to remove the word woman from everything in the name of inclusivity etc, then women's rights are lost. Because if anyone can be a woman, women's rights are just peoples' rights — which is what the MRAs want.

I've always voted Labour but am facing the possibility of having to vote Conservative at the next GE to keep Labour out and protect half the population.

I'm also a single issue voter on this. I'd rather vote Conservative than for anyone who isn't able to accurately define what a woman is.

The question I would ask people is would you want any future pandemic (and the resulting health/vaccine recommendations) in the hands of a someone unable to grasp basic biological facts? How could you possibly trust such a group to 'follow the science'? I know I wouldn't.

‘since I can't imagine that what you describe as "anti-scientific, authoritarian nonsense being imposed on my children" makes any material difference to your life whatsoever, or that of your neighbours or friends’

Why do you even care? It doesn’t even affect you!

I care about the sort of society my children will inherit. I do not want that society to be authoritarian.

Again, cope.

I appreciate there are some Single Issue voters, but I would urge you to be very careful.

I feel sorry for GC voters in Bridgend who held their noses and voted Tory. They ended up putting a TRA ticking timebomb into parliament.

antifascist
achillestoes gave you a list of extremely serious and wide reaching policy changes and you haven't given a reason why Labour isn't doing anything about them or the issues you raise, right now.
Labour have stated they are going to change equality legislation to reduce protection for women and children. They supported austerity, they support UC. I don't see anything to suggest they will improve the lot of anyone in the UK.

I and many others are going to have to ncope with the extreme right wing society you are supporting because of your obsessions with an issue which is very largely in your heads.

My children and millions of others have been forced to pay for university education at exobitant rates can't afford housing, are paid peanuts are having the protection of the NHS taken away- (and they have lost their rights to live and work in Europe.)

They can't cope frankly.

It's a very important issue to me but it won't be the only issue I make my decision on. Plans to deal with the cost of living in general are up there as well for me. I guess I'll do the best I can to balance both those things. I definitely won't vote for a party who don't understand woman's rights though. Honestly no idea which way I would go right now.

I don't want the society to be authoritarian and so I am backing the party that is restricting the right to demonstrate.

The GRA was brought in under a Labour Government in 2004. The Equality Act 2010 came into force in October 2010 when the Tories had been in power for five months. It was debated and drawn up under Labour AFAIA.

There was a worldwide financial crisis still playing out at the time and no one was paying much attention to apparently inconsequential things like the Equality Act. It wasn't really until self ID was proposed that they sat up and took notice and started to rectify the situation. Labour have done nothing but take the Stonewall line and punish women like Rosie Duffield for speaking out. The Tories have actually started to remedy the situation.

This is such an echo chamber.

@antifascist

A woman has spent three years fighting for the right to say, at work, that there are two sexes. Where was the Labour Party?

Women have been attacked in the street and threatened with rape for saying there are two sexes. Where is the Labour Party?

Women have been forced to call their rapists ‘she’ in court while testifying against them. Where is the Labour Party?

Women and men have been investigated by the police for saying there are two sexes. Where was the Labour Party?

They support authoritarianism. I don’t.

Where were the Conservative party?
In power.

@TooBigForMyBoots

You’re right. But then Johnson was elected and they started listening. These are just the facts.

because of your obsessions with an issue which is very largely in your heads.

And there it is.
Women have been force to raise over one million pounds to get the existing equality laws upheld. Women have been sacked. Vilified. Had their reputations destroyed.

And your response is to claim 'its all in our heads'.

A public library invited a group to read to children and one person turned up wearing a dildo attached to a monkey costume.
The state of sex education is so bad that girls are being advised to turn to prostitution.
The NSPCC is nowhere to be seen.

And your response is to claim 'its all in our heads'.

Definitely. Genderwoo's tentacles are far-reaching so it is not a single issue at all.

The fact that your case seems to amount to someone wore an inappropriate costume to a public library shows exactly how much in your head it is

Meanwhile the

New predicted typical energy bill from 1 October is £270 a month and £280 a month from January. Universal credit for all living expenses is £265.31 for single person under 25 and £334.91 aged 25+. Winter will be impossible.

Still people on here will be able to use their rage at "genderwoo" to keep warm

It matters to me, I’m glad it does to other women but people can choose to vote as they wish - if they don’t find it problematic that’s up to them

At some point people need to accept we have different perspectives on this, not to op but various posts that seem annoyed that women vote differently to them

The fact that your case seems to amount to someone wore an inappropriate costume to a public library

Its human rights, equality law, the definitions that laws are based on. Its safeguarding. Its being able to access basic facilities and healthcare and education.
Its fundamental to the fabric of our society, to our relationships with each other. Its the rest of us not turning a blind eye to harm done to others.

And the fact that you are wilfully ignoring all of that shows what an authoritarian you are.

True but at the end of the day most Tory voters and MPs did not support genderwoo; and Truss and Johnson rode back from self-id. They also rode back on the Conversion Therapy Bill when faced with the child safeguarding evidence.
I cannot ever see myself trusting the centre/left of centre parties ever again in the UK, as part of what allowed this to happen under the radar, was a failure to uphold 'free speech' and being pro 'free speech' has always been a Conservative value/policy in the UK.
I also trust the Conservatives more than Labour, not to cave in to the SNP's Neverendum demands. It should also be noted that the SNP are massively in hock to gender woo.

This hasn’t even been on the radar when Labour was last in power. This is all Tory stuff. If you need to give yourself reasons to vote Tory, fill your boots. But you’re being dishonest. Meanwhile, the daily Mail tells its readers how to make butter if they can’t afford to buy it. Welcome to the 50s.

They all support it. The Conservatives introduced it and have allowed it to take hold. The other parties jumped on the bandwagon.
The MP's who don't really believe it and are just toeing the party line are as complicit as the ones pushing it.