Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

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Julie Bindel

You may hate me for this (well, some of you at least, but I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE. I mean, I KNOW it is an urgent issue, but so are a million other things right now!!

Sharron Davies

I agree with your too Julie. There’s a bigger picture right now with people potentially unable to feed or keep their kids warm this winter. We can keep bringing the sunlight to other issues.

What’s the question here?

i actually agree with them. While I feel strongly about this issue, there are plenty of others that I also feel strongly about and it’s up to every person to decide what their priorities are and as an overall picture, who they believe is best placed to represent them and what they want / believe in

So 'how dare you centre your politics on what's important to you, women put other people first!'

As ever WOMEN!! #BEKIND!

I mean, they're right really. And I'm as GC as they come. It's why so many people have such dilemmas on who to vote for I think.

Good for them. They can vote on the issues they see fit.
To my mind and I do not speak for all, women matter. And once we have officially in law lost our words and our very few spaces, we are lost too. It's the end of woman. So I will make my vote with only women in mind, every other person can do as they wish.

Of course they believe it, they just don't like it. That's fine. The good thing about not having idols is that you can take or leave their point of view. I'd have thought that we got into enough of a mess imploring women to put aside their core principles in order to be pragmatic about the greater good, but that's just my point of view.

They're absolutely right. The Tories are not champions of women, they're just (and not all) right on this one singular issue. The rest is a shitshow.

For what it's worth I don't think Keir Starmer actually thinks men are women. He's just, understandably, rather desperate not to be cancelled by the far left in his party.

This isn't a new position for Julie she has for a long time said trans issues aren't the only issue women should be concerned about.

The good thing about democracy is that we can all vote in accordance with our own views. Some will have views that differ to Julie and that's Ok

For me noone is a 'champion for women' at the moment are they?

Yeah that’s not what they’re saying at all

For what it's worth I don't think Keir Starmer actually thinks men are women. He's just, understandably, rather desperate not to be cancelled by the far left in his party.

I agree. But doesn't that make it worse? This would mean he is happy to lie and is a coward.

Sorry I disagree. In the UK thankfully no one is starving.

Once woman are redefined legally to mean anyone who wants to be a woman the destruction and chaos to womans protections and services may never be undone.

Also how calculating and cold Starmer is is frankly unnerving!

If I can't trust a pm to know and say what a woman is, then I can't trust them to be truthful / fair on anything. It's important.

Actually for me, this is the most important issue and everything feeds from it. If people are prepared to buy into this lie, what else will they do?

So what are they saying? "I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE."

As someone said on another thread yesterday, can you imagine telling a BAME person off for choosing which party to vote for based on their policies on racial equality or attitude towards different ethnic groups?

This is not trivial - we are talking about politicians redefining literally half of the human race. And the fact that they are largely doing so utterly disingenuously and cynically (not to mention often ignorantly, bumblingly and ineptly) in order to look woke just makes it even more impossible to vote for them.

The thing for me though is that the Labour Party are saying TWAW, look at all the comments from Nandy, Lamy etc.

Many of the current issues disproportionally affect women. If Labour are falling over themselves with this ridiculousness they are not focusing on real women as a group, they seem to be constantly checking and ensuring they are including everyone else. I see Kier as a weak leader actually as he is too scared to come out and say what he knows is true.

So having a parties stance on women as top of my list is me thinking about broader issues like COLC. I will not vote for a party who has openly declared it would put a child rapist in a woman's prison because they say they are a woman.

Once woman are redefined legally to mean anyone who wants to be a woman the destruction and chaos to womans protections and services may never be undone.

This is my position too, once protections are gone it will be near impossible to get them back.

No, I'm tired of women being asked to stand down whilst other priorities are dealt with. Our willingness to put others first is one of the reasons Westminster does not work hard enough to earn the female vote. I would say now is exactly the right time to drive home the point that we matter and if political parties want to succeed then they need to show they think we matter too. If we cave now then every fight for women will be harder.

Others can do as they see fit but I won't be berated by anyone for putting women first.

Come back to me when WW3 breaks out and I'll review my position.

I can't trust a party that will say TWAW, that will punish people who can't say TWAW, who will make laws based on TWAW that predominantly impact women. A party that actively excludes those who can't say TWAW.

How can I trust that party on anything else, when they behave like bullying despots around that issue. Who are so convinced they are right they won't allow it to be discussed.

At least the Tortes are embarrassed about their misbehaviour, rather than trumpeting it and embedding it in policy.

Doesn't it end up being a balance for most people anyway? I wouldn't vote for the BNP even if they were the only GC party for example. Or some of the other loonies you get (up here in Yorkshire we get candidates standing for an independent Yorkshire...)

Last few of elections I've voted for least worse, not necessarily who I think is best

I have absolutely no say in who will be the next PM/leader of the Conservatives. I don’t think any of them would be likely to promote economic policies which would help ordinary people. So yes I am speculating on which one would be best for reality, freedom of speech, child safeguarding and women’s rights, areas where I may have some common ground with some of them.

Oh for a party which is economically progressive and socially conservative if that is the way to put it!

I mean I want everyone in our country to have what they need, I want publicly owned and funded public services run by best practice to serve the needs of the people not for profit.

I also want families and communities to be valued rather than rampant individualism of identity politics or seeing individuals merely as units to fulfil a function in the economy moved around at the will of capitalists. I want us to celebrate our rich cultural diversity whilst also keeping in mind what we have in common. I want an end to the categorising of people by oppression and privilege, the oppression Olympics as it is aptly named and a return to the values of being non judgmental and aiming to treat everyone with respect and compassion whilst maintaining healthy boundaries.

Modern Labour do not value families or communities in the traditional sense of the relationships built over time in a local area and Tories don’t really care about families and communities either they only care making the rich richer at the expense of ordinary people.

If there were a general election tomorrow I couldn’t bring myself to vote for any of them.

So it’s ok for you to express your views but it’s not ok for them to express theirs? Nice.

I agree with them.

And whilst we are still in a democracy, we are all entitled to have views that some may disagree with.

Not that my vote counts for anything anyway. My constituency will only ever be Tory. It is one of the safest seats in the country. Labour had never stood a chance here.