Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

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Julie Bindel

You may hate me for this (well, some of you at least, but I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE. I mean, I KNOW it is an urgent issue, but so are a million other things right now!!

Sharron Davies

I agree with your too Julie. There’s a bigger picture right now with people potentially unable to feed or keep their kids warm this winter. We can keep bringing the sunlight to other issues.

Also- has anyone else noticed that OP basically plopped a negative post about two very vocal proponents of gender critical feminism and now we are basically enthusiastically slating those women?
Divide and conquer anyone?

But that post is perfectly understandable and holds some truth. It does seem that the recent lauding of Julie and Sharon has blinkered them. They do seem to have made the mistake of perceiving GC women's voices as being simplistic, uni factoral!

That you said the poster needed to find out who they were before commenting suggests that you hold her mental aptitude in doubt!

I just go by this.

Loads of people vote on single issues - just look at Brexit.
For me, gender issues are not the only issue to vote on, but they are definitely the most important.

OK. I don't think you are thick but fine

That's quite a privileged take.

It impacts some of the most vulnerable women in society like women needing rape counselling, or domestic violence shelters, women in prisons, women in hospital who are vulnerable but gaslighted that there are no men on the ward, women who need intimate medical care.

Not sure I want my grandkids saying to me one day, “You knew they were giving fourteen year olds sex-change hormones and you didn’t do anything? And you voted for them anyway?” and me having to say, “Well, the price of Lurpak had gone up to £7.35.”

The impact on women will be for generations. It will be extremely difficult to undo legislation which is harmful to women. It’s a worthy thing to vote on in my view.

Tories have been in power since 2010...........

They have overseen the giving of puberty blockers plus the increase of Lurpak to ridiculous prices.

Some stuff has been out of their control, but much is linked to the focus for nearly 10 years on Brexit.

We are in the place we are now, because of the Tory party.

Things may have happened the same under Labour - but we don't know. They have not been in Power.

It’s a bit more than the price of Lurpak though isn’t it? Plenty of people are struggling to afford to survive, and a cost of living crisis is the last thing you need on top of a housing crisis.

Rent is increasing to astronomical prices for sub standard housing, and people in a couple of months many people are going to have to choose between heating their house and eating.

Not to mention the state of the NHS.

With everything being a struggle and young people growing up with no hope of ever being able to afford a house even, it’s no wonder they’re easily led into thinking changing their gender could solve all their problems. I mean who wouldn’t want to believe in a magical solution to make them happy? The lack of funding for MH support has a lot to blame.

@Live4weekend

I know that. May and Cameron let children down very badly. Johnson didn’t, and I am hopeful (with the progress we’ve made) that his successor will do even better.

If we elect Starmer, this continues. I can’t do that. It’s a red line.

@user1471504747

Believe me, this isn’t a choice I wanted to make. But the cost of living isn’t an excuse for me to collude in medicalised atrocities.

Unless Bindel has secretly joined the Tory party, she doesn't have a vote, just like the rest of us, so this is mere posturing.

Labour and the Greens don't believe we all have value. They've both viciously hounded female and male members with GC views.

Labour moved to the centre right. All the parties moved to entertain undergrad post-modernist theories of gender.

Women are who and where we've always been. The parties and politicians need to come to us.

You also seem to be in a fairly well off position to start with to off handedly talk about the price of Lurpack. Do you think there are single issue voters voting for a ban on the increase of the price of spread?

Far, far too many people are absolutely terrified about the price of basic items increasing.

Foodbank useage is soaring, and how many people are still going to be able to donate to all these charities that people are forced to rely on?

Look at your actual life - trans people have zero effect on me

Yeah. I've looked at my actual life and it's certainly had an effect.

I think there's a real dilemma, and it always has been a dilemma for political/activist feminists.

Do you vote ONLY for the immediate matters of protecting or enforcing women's rights, or do you vote for the least-worst position across a number of issues?

I don't think it's something to feel abandoned or outraged about. It's a real question and has been for the 50 or so years I've been an active feminist & voter.

@user1471504747

I don’t struggle to eat. I am aware that the cost of living has soared and that has a huge pull on my conscience. I have always voted Labour. I’m not voting for children to be given sub-standard, damaging, ideological healthcare. Come what will.

Johnson's mismanagement of Covid meant the schools were shut for far longer than they should have been.

That is extremely damaging to millions of kids.

@Live4weekend

I never voted for Johnson (as it happens). But you seem to be asking me to acquiesce to serious medical malpractices because of other considerations. I won’t. Sorry.

I just watched the Mr Menno video that someone mentioned on another thread (the one that compares Ricky Gervais and Nish Kumar) and he lays it all out so clearly.

So you put more importance on a man's POV than a woman's on what is best for women and girls?

OK

Disagreeing with someone does not mean automatically writing off everything they've ever done. I haven't seen anyone "enthusiastically slating" either JB or SD. I would suggest it's you who is being divisive. Nearly everyone else is having a discussion and expressing their opinion on the statements made by both women.

I feel torn on this. On the one had, yes, I get what they are saying.

But on the other hand I just cannot bring myself to trust any politician who says TWAW, any more than I could trust them if they said the earth is flat. It fundamentally changes my opinion of their ability to think critically on ANY issue (or - if they don't actually believe TWAW - it means I can't trust them to act with integrity).

So for me, a politician's stance on TWAW goes far beyond the actual issue itself.

@pastaandpesto

It’s not just their view either. It’s their willingness to see their view imposed on others by mass bullying and threats. It’s disturbing, and not (to my mind) consistent with democratic values.

There are other issues, yes, but generally human rights are hard won, too easily lost and very very hard to regain once lost.

Does anyone really think that Ireland will drop Self ID now it’s on their statute books? Will it ever get bad ‘enough’ for women over there that it would force the issue back to the table? Past experience suggests it would take a hell of a lot. Look how long the laundries were in place.