Standing for Women Bristol

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Anyone going to College Green this afternoon for the rally?
I am hoping to if I am feeling better - crappy cold, and hope the weather holds.

Did you mean to remind us of how the police don't prioritise violence against women?

Remember the Charing Cross scandal? Not only do they not take it seriously, some also think it's funny and 'joke' about it.

Here's some WhatsApp messages between two officers.

A: "I fucking need to take my bird out, won't see her until next Saturday. Then I have to work. Promised to take her out the Friday after. Making it up to her from when I backhanded her."

B: "Grab her by the pussy."

A: "You ever slapped your missus? It makes them love you more. Seriously since I did that she won't leave me alone. Now I know why these daft cunts are getting murdered by their sp**tic boyfriends. Knock a bird about and she will love you. Human nature. They are biologically programmed to like that shit."

The IOPC report said that this isn't just 'a few bad apples' in the police, this is widespread, 'a culture of toxic masculinity, misogyny and sexual harassment'.

The same report uncovered messages a male officer sent to his female colleague that read ''I would happily rape you'', ''If I was single I would actually hate fuck you'', and ''If I was single, I would happily chloroform you.''

Another ''joke'' from another officer.

"Getting a woman in to bed is like spreading butter. It can be done with a bit of effort using a credit card, but it's quicker and easier to just use a knife."

Another male officer was known as 'mcrapey rapeperson' because he had a reputation for harassing women. Couzens was nicknamed 'the rapist' by his colleagues.

That's how the police view us, Ides.

This a result of that 'women aren't delicate, fragile flowers and can handle crowds of aggressive men with literal hate boners perfectly fine' training, is it?

The (skidmark of) Black pampers do even more harm to the trans community than KJK does to the GC community . But to claim either community was ‘unprovoked’ is utterly dishonest. It’s sad that there probably were actual dialogues taking place in Bristol, but our only take away is these attention seeking losers. At least the pampers can use their adolescence as an excuse.

Regardless of what they say about her KJK has always maintained her admiration of various prominent feminists.

I do find it interesting that for all the slagging off, IMO people only ever get closer to her position. For example I can think of lots in the media and on here who said they would always use preferred pronouns and very much don’t now.

Back to 'dick and balls' again Ides I see.

How did the women meeting to express their views ‘provoke’. The trans activists? By meeting? By being women? By talking? Where are the videos and photos of these women chanting rape and death threats? There is no ‘both sides are as bad as each other’ and to say there is is dishonest and minimises the events of that day.

When transactivists deliberately and purposefully come to women's meetings, and this includes Woman's Place meetings etc not just Let Women Speak, they do it to disrupt. Their intention is clear, hurl abuse and frighten women from attending or coming along to the next one. Truths may be shouted back at these transactivists but they are the ones who want to stop women from talking. Stop them talking about rape, sexual abuse and assault, prostitution, concerns for autistic children, young lesbians and children in care, concern for what is being taught in our schools, concern about vulnerable women in prisons, concerns for young girls being put off sport etc. So I don't believe for one minute it is both sides.
At each meeting more and more women and male allies are turning up the transactivists will not stop women talking.
I've attending Nottingham, Manchester and I will be attending Brighton in September be side I believe women should be able to meet and speak.

I agree, whats the point of women who have different views on KJK being here and debating when @mnhq delete any posts that don't fawn over Posie. This was the hot topic yesterday and I didn't see anything in this thread that wasn't discussed and debunked in her video yesterday.

If Mumsnet aren't interested in different viewpoints then they may as well change FWR to the Posie Parker Fan Page.

@mnhq delete any posts that don't fawn over Posie

oh god have all my posts gone???

No I don’t think so…..so thats a relief

i think posts that don’t fawn do stay, i think posts that attack posters on this forum because they either dont care about her or support her right to talk about these issues are deleted

and that’s obviously not every deleted posts, the mods do the best job they can but sometimes i feel they may have been heavy handed and again that works both ways

ive definitely reported a post but that was fuck all to do with KJK

i think posts that attack posters on this forum because they either dont care about her or support her right to talk about these issues are deleted

I didn't see or can't remember all the posts, but that wasn't the vibe of this thread IIRC, a lot of what was deleted echoed the statement that Women's Place UK put out yesterday.

I didn't see or can't remember all the posts, but that wasn't the vibe of this thread IIRC, a lot of what was deleted echoed the statement that Women's Place UK put out yesterday

ill have to try and find that cos ive no idea what it said

im sure it wasnt the vibe and if i wanted to check I’m sure there are a few posts deleted and I wouldn’t agree that they should be removed but that poster whose name escapes me had every single post removed and I’m sure MNHQ probably went through the rest with a fine tooth comb and removed everything they felt maybe even a slight problem

and thats the problem when posters are expressing perfectly reasonably their dislike of what someone is saying and their links to other organisations, then other posters are just stirring

I can remember a lot of the posts, and I imagine they were either by PBPs or were potentially libellous. MN really isn't the "Posie Parker Fan Page" because the mods think she can do no wrong but I didn't personally report them, and there are some similar posts still outstanding if you look back. But how about we don't try to deflect the typically violent and abusive male behaviour at these events by irrelevantly smearing women, that would be refreshing.

@mnhq delete any posts that don't fawn over Posie

you do know they banned her, right?

all people need to do is be civil

for some reason people find themselves unable to do that when talking about KJK. It’s actually quite mystifying

you do know they banned her, right?

Yeah, that's why I don't really get it 🤷‍♀️

Here's the Woman's Place UK statement

womansplaceuk.org/2022/06/22/womans-place-and-posie-parker/

A pramfull?

Yeah, that's why I don't really get it

Perhaps there isn't anything to get? Don't be a PBP and don't do potential libels on MN, might be the only takeaway message?

MN tend to delete posts about specific people when reported to them.

Thank you racket

A nappy sack

The conversation has moved on since 2018, I feel.

Just imagine a world where women could meet in a pub to talk about how to handle the threats they perceive to women's rights.
Just imagine being able to share the plans widely, talk to friends about whether they are interested.
Imagine rolling up, walking into that venue, sitting down and listening to speakers, discussing strategies and planning a way forward to protect women from unfairness, from sexual assault, from loss of privacy and the right to safeguarding and safe spaces.

Would they riot, hurl insults around, push and shove? Would they hell.
Would they rush out of the meeting fired up and full of vigour and start pushing and shoving men around? I think not.

Would they in fact swarm out of the meeting determined to go away and write some emails, maybe even buy some stickers? Well yes, that's perfectly possible.

The agitators here are not the women.
The people who need policing are not the women.
Honestly I doubt the women's meeting would even rate newspaper if it weren't for the black pampers agitating aggressively outside.

Good article by Jo Bartosch

www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/22/the-rise-of-the-black-pampers/

Billi77 · Today 00:09

The (skidmark of) Black pampers do even more harm to the trans community than KJK does to the GC community . But to claim either community was ‘unprovoked’ is utterly dishonest. It’s sad that there probably were actual dialogues taking place in Bristol, but our only take away is these attention seeking losers. At least the pampers can use their adolescence as an excuse.

To be honest I am offended by this comment. The masked men were not "provoked" and their presence and intent was to intimidate.

This is how women and girls get victim blamed.

The trans/anarchist protestors had met at College Green at 12, and set up camp close to the pavement.

Standing for Women arrived, and moved to spot at the other side of the green. The trans/anarchist protestors followed and surrounded the group of women, with only a couple of police officers attempting to keep them separate.
The Standing for Women Stewards had to do the work of the police in holding back masked men.
@Billi77 suggesting the Pampers were provoked is disgusting.

The "actual dialogues" were fantastic although a little spoiled by screaming male voices, trying to shout over women and girls.

The sad truth is yes. The meeting in itself did provoke the riots. I don’t see how anyone can deny that?

This may be an issue to do with the definition of "provocation".

I do not deny that the men in balaclavas were there because they were reacting to Kellie-Jay's meeting.

But was it a reasonable reaction? Provocation carries an implication that you have been goaded into reacting. I do not accept that women meeting to discuss our rights is such.

Men are perfectly capable of resisting the lure of the balaclava when they hear of a women's meeting.

Regardless of how many see it here and on twitter etc, there are also many who see the GC movement as being associated with the British far right who push the movement strongly on their social media alongside anti-immigrant propaganda etc (see attacments), the police monitor these Telegram/Facebook groups and react appropriately.

This is also a large part of the reason the 'black pamper'/anarchists show up.