Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

Yep, seriously. Why couldn't have they engaged properly with consideration about their responsibilities when they were next in?

Also, given they were all so busy they couldn't read the relevant material / tweets why did Allison's workload fall off a cliff?

Is the "outrageous suggestion" rehearsed minispeech on the bingo card? This one was delivered almost robotically

The importance of

'hammering to our reputation'

just doesn't match the

'I was so busy I couldn't spare the time to deal with this'

@VestofAbsurdity we have had a lot "but I was travelling to [wherever]" from most of the GCC lot 😂

These people are so defensive. So resistant to any consideration that ending up at this point is anything to do with them. It is all HER FAULT.

But remember, any feeling that they were against her is pure fancy.

Right.

Free kick to BC.

I think his level of fury about the suggestion of an active conspiracy is interesting. He calmly refutes everything else but it really makes him angry that he is accused of this collusion with his senior colleagues.

I believe him on that. I think he’s massaging his memory on nearly everything else.

I do wonder whether GCC might make a very unusual application for a costs award in relation to the work required to defend against the detriment 1 claim that GCC withheld instructions and work from AB.

@Birdsweepsin everyone at GCC has made these same claims, yet none grasp the obvious contradiction

Is 'I didn't click on the link' on the bingo card?

"I didn't click on those links" - is it on the bingo card?

I think it was something that he knew he wanted to say and so he had the words ready but it didn't across as robotic to me. Quite the opposite - I saw anger for the first time from this witness.

He read the report and came to the conclusion that there was no evidential basis for the claimant’s reasoning in her tweet... without reading what she sent him.

That is absolutely damning.

MW checked Maya's information which she got from "neutral" sources like TerfIsNotASlur to decide there was no evidence that the cotton ceiling exists and is a coercive concept

That was a pregnant (person) pause before he said having sex with TW. He was desperately trying not to accidentally say men.

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · Today 12:52

Is the "outrageous suggestion" rehearsed minispeech on the bingo card? This one was delivered almost robotically

Absolutely, this seemed almost rehearsed. It was like pressing a button to get that speech blurted out. And so reminiscent of the previous witnesses.

Did he just say I couldn’t see how coercive sexual behaviour led to an example of rape culture

All this quibbling about when emails are sent. The whole point of things like emails is: you deal with them when YOU are next at work

Thank goodness GCC aren't an international organisation. "No, of course I didn't respond to the head of the South East Asia division, he sent the email at four in the morning, it was completely ridiculous!"

You would think so, 7 complaints is barely a tad windy, let alone a storm!

So again with the definition of 'coercion'.

And the decision based on someone else's supposed 'indepth investigation' when it has been proven that that person had no fucking idea what the seminar was about.

Definitely, @IdisagreeMrHochhauser

Bringing back the idea that coercion involves threat of force - if that's what their case relies on they are I trouble

That is how I heard it.

Ah so they they think coerce means “force or threat of force”

As a normal twitter user, I think it means manipulation and emotional pressure

Fuck this equivocation.