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Maya Forstater on front page of Daily Mail

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 01/04/2022 03:29

Yes, it’s the Mail. No, I’m not apologising. This is fantastic!

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10674135/Three-women-launch-significant-female-movement-Suffragettes.html

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Hasselhoffsheadband · 01/04/2022 15:25

@MillyMollyMurphy

The DM is a right wing hate rag. It hates women. You only need to see the language it uses to describe the photos of women on the right hand side. Look at the way it depicted immigrants and Diane Abbot.

Either feminism is intersectional or it is meaningless.

And yet, The Guardian, the 'righteous side' gives even less of a shit about women! Depressing isn't it.......
UnconditionalSurrender · 01/04/2022 15:25

What does that mean? That you won't support GC feminism because the mail does a story about Maya Forstater?

No of course not. What it means is that I really think that using outlets such as the Daily Mail and the GB news, which Sharron Davies appears on this week is a really really bad idea. These outlets are not good faith players IMO. I will be less keen to support any campaign these women were involved in. Its a shame but there's my line in the sand. No doubt no one cares but there you go.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 01/04/2022 15:27

Either feminism is intersectional or it is meaningless.

Sorry, have I walked into 2018 again? Intersectional Feminism doesn't mean intersecting with males!

NonnyMouse1337 · 01/04/2022 15:28

Either feminism is intersectional or it is meaningless.

You mean the type that says black women look 'masculine' and brown women are more hairy therefore men are women?

Hasselhoffsheadband · 01/04/2022 15:28

@UnconditionalSurrender

What does that mean? That you won't support GC feminism because the mail does a story about Maya Forstater?

No of course not. What it means is that I really think that using outlets such as the Daily Mail and the GB news, which Sharron Davies appears on this week is a really really bad idea. These outlets are not good faith players IMO. I will be less keen to support any campaign these women were involved in. Its a shame but there's my line in the sand. No doubt no one cares but there you go.

So what's your solution? Because The Guardian, The Independent (lol) etc have made it clear they don't give a shit about women.
UnconditionalSurrender · 01/04/2022 15:29

*This sort of idiocy makes me and several others run a fucking mile from those espousing it

Tired old demonising tropes that are the antithesis of freedom of thought or speech, North Korea would welcome you with open arms*

Ah well. Some tropes aren't that tired. GB news is a fucking travesty as is the Daily Mail. Not wanting to support racist news outlets that tell lies consistently is fine by me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2022 15:32

Either feminism is intersectional or it is meaningless.

Do you think "intersectional feminism" should ignore that being born female is an axis of oppression, separate to gender identity?

Your statement is what is meaningless. Because it's just a trite slogan, and buzzwords.

UnconditionalSurrender · 01/04/2022 15:36

So what's your solution? Because The Guardian, The Independent (lol) etc have made it clear they don't give a shit about women

I don't know but with the DM etc you are just preaching to the converted anyway and it puts some people off because of the choice of media outlets. It is a problem and I can see why they choose these outlets because that's who wants them but the people who need to hear their views won't. If there's a solution then someone better than me might come up with it. I think with the transwomen in sport hitting headlines everywhere, these things are gaining traction everywhere.

Datun · 01/04/2022 15:36

@UnconditionalSurrender

What does that mean? That you won't support GC feminism because the mail does a story about Maya Forstater?

No of course not. What it means is that I really think that using outlets such as the Daily Mail and the GB news, which Sharron Davies appears on this week is a really really bad idea. These outlets are not good faith players IMO. I will be less keen to support any campaign these women were involved in. Its a shame but there's my line in the sand. No doubt no one cares but there you go.

Eh?

So you say you still support gender critical feminism, even though there's a story about it in the daily mail, and yet simultaneously you are also less keen to support gender critical feminists due to a story in the daily mail.

Got it.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 01/04/2022 15:36

Not wanting to support racist news outlets that tell lies consistently is fine by me

oh man. you people and your purity spirals

Doreen Lawrence couldn't get the time of day from the Guardian. The men who murdered Stephen Lawrence are in prison now, thanks partly to the campaigning by the Daily Mail. but by all means, continue to see the world in black and white @UnconditionalSurrender

Maya Forstater on front page of Daily Mail
MillyMollyMurphy · 01/04/2022 15:36

It’s not a slogan to think that championing a publication which hates women is a feminism. Quite the opposite. I feel sickened when I see women claiming to be feminists doing this. I am GC myself but I support ALL women. The DM is only interested in the GC ideology from an extreme right wing perspective.

MillyMollyMurphy · 01/04/2022 15:38

And it’s not either the Guardian OR The Daily Mail. If they don’t support all women’s rights then boycott the lot.

Datun · 01/04/2022 15:39

@UnconditionalSurrender

So what's your solution? Because The Guardian, The Independent (lol) etc have made it clear they don't give a shit about women

I don't know but with the DM etc you are just preaching to the converted anyway and it puts some people off because of the choice of media outlets. It is a problem and I can see why they choose these outlets because that's who wants them but the people who need to hear their views won't. If there's a solution then someone better than me might come up with it. I think with the transwomen in sport hitting headlines everywhere, these things are gaining traction everywhere.

They are getting traction, but left-wing outlets are still not reporting on it. The Labour Party themselves are right behind it.

People are either going to read it in the daily mail or know nothing about it.

chilling19 · 01/04/2022 15:40

'Ah well. Some tropes aren't that tired. GB news is a fucking travesty as is the Daily Mail. Not wanting to support racist news outlets that tell lies consistently is fine by me.'

Not lying about this though are they? Unlike The Guardian.

Datun · 01/04/2022 15:41

@MillyMollyMurphy

It’s not a slogan to think that championing a publication which hates women is a feminism. Quite the opposite. I feel sickened when I see women claiming to be feminists doing this. I am GC myself but I support ALL women. The DM is only interested in the GC ideology from an extreme right wing perspective.
It's not about championing the publication. It's about championing the fact that the story is being reported.
Datun · 01/04/2022 15:43

The DM is only interested in the GC ideology from an extreme right wing perspective.

Can you explain that? Do you mean because they're a right wing paper? Or do you think the actual story is biased?

BettyFilous · 01/04/2022 15:44

@Hasselhoffsheadband

Lots of men on Twitter making ageist, misogynistic jokes about these three women.

What. A. Fucking. Surprise.....

I’m starting to think Twitter serves a useful purpose in keeping all the idiots busy and out from everyone else’s feet. Like chucking all the kids at a noisy playdate in the playroom with some pop and crisps and retreating to the kitchen to drink wine.
Appledrop · 01/04/2022 15:45

@Fenlandia

#RespectMySex is trending on Twitter but check out the editorialised text they've put against it. So dishonest, happens every time there's a GC-related hashtag trending, the bastards
Yes I have noticed that too, totally wrong and not on.
UnconditionalSurrender · 01/04/2022 15:45

All these people thinking I'm a puritan because I think the Daily Mail is a dreadful dreadful paper that makes this country just worse than it could be. I'm cool with that.
And also if I'm not a proper GC feminist because I think using the DM and GB news might be a bad move. I'll have to be good with that too.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 01/04/2022 15:46

@MillyMollyMurphy

And it’s not either the Guardian OR The Daily Mail. If they don’t support all women’s rights then boycott the lot.
......and never get your message across

failure really is preferable to being impure to you isn't it?

suit yourself. i want to win

Neverreturntoathread · 01/04/2022 15:48

Nice to see the Daily Mail doing some high quality journalism for once.

👏👏👏 Maya and colleagues.

Datun · 01/04/2022 15:49

@UnconditionalSurrender

All these people thinking I'm a puritan because I think the Daily Mail is a dreadful dreadful paper that makes this country just worse than it could be. I'm cool with that. And also if I'm not a proper GC feminist because I think using the DM and GB news might be a bad move. I'll have to be good with that too.
Its not about that UnconditionalSurrender. The reality is that left-wing papers are ideologically captured. They disagree with you that men cant be women. They disagree with you that you shouldn't put rapists in female prisons. They're not reporting on the wholesale gaslighting of confused children.

What would you like to happen?

flyingbuttress43 · 01/04/2022 15:50

Calling the Daily Mail fascist is the equivalent of calling the Guardian communist.

I'm a boring centrist but even I can see that if you think the Mail is fascist while not seeing the Guardian as communist you are taking leave of objectivity.

Personally I don't read either.....

MistyFuckingQuigley · 01/04/2022 15:50

@MillyMollyMurphy

It’s not a slogan to think that championing a publication which hates women is a feminism. Quite the opposite. I feel sickened when I see women claiming to be feminists doing this. I am GC myself but I support ALL women. The DM is only interested in the GC ideology from an extreme right wing perspective.
What do you mean by ALL women? Just the cunty types I hope?
Datun · 01/04/2022 15:52

I'll never get over the attitude that says only certain people can talk about this, and since none of those people have a voice no one will hear it. But hey, too bad.