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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MP comes out as transgender

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poshme · 30/03/2022 09:25

A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

MP comes out as transgender
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hedgehogger1 · 01/04/2022 08:27

He's transitioned so well he's done a full 360

OldCrone · 01/04/2022 08:34

@Neongoddess

I ventured onto twitter. I don't use it much so not sure if I saw a good cross section. I just put his name in the search bar and look at latest. But I was surprised that there didn't seem to be that kuchen support for him.

Quite alot of people pointing out his wife and kids have been ignored and pointing out that the rest of is behaviour isn't forgotten 'cause trans' and questioning his claim of 'want to be trans but staying he/him and not changing how I look'.

I do think there will be a big back lash from the trans community, if they suspect this is all just smoke and mirrors to justify the car crash.

The TRA movement have to support him. They have always insisted a) everyone is who they say they are and b) nobody would pretend to be trans just to gain an advantage.

If they admit that he might have other reasons for his newly stated identity, they'd have to acknowledge that other men might do the same.

lobbymp · 01/04/2022 08:40

@OldCrone

Got it in one.

intwrferingma · 01/04/2022 08:53

@SucculentChalice

I'm currently banned from taking part in certain local events in a certain way in Scotland or accessing certain golf clubs because they are men only. Now the new Hate Crime legislation won't protect me because it doesn't include sex as a protected category but it does include trans.

So if I really want to take part in one of these activities, does that mean I identify as a trans man (on the basis that the state permits them to be men only despite other legislation dictating otherwise), but where those circumstances apply only?

What happens if I then get turned down because the organisers don't believe me?

A really excellent campaign idea there....
AlisonDonut · 01/04/2022 08:59

A really excellent campaign idea there....

The wonderful gents from Man Friday already did this.

They predictably called the police on them and had them removed.

DameHelena · 01/04/2022 09:25

[quote SolasAnla]**@BoreOfWhabylon

OK, I apologise.
Thank you for being willing for reconsidering and for apologising

DameHelena
Don't be daft. You can just google him and you get her name and the fact that there are two kids.
And asBorepoints out, he was happy to mention them himself when campaigning for office.
Cake and eat it.

I disagree neither she or the children stood for office. If someone wants to google thats their business but she is not accountable for his career choices.[/quote]
No one has said she is accountable. The point I'm making/addressing is that you objected to her being 'publicly ID'd, as if it was otherwise impossible to discover her name or the existence of the children.

DameHelena · 01/04/2022 09:29

Doesn't excuse his other ideas and business ventures of course, but having an eccentric interest in a slightly conspiracy-theory area of science doesn't automatically make him a bad or untruthful person.
Doesn't help a person feel any more kindly towards him though either.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 01/04/2022 10:28

@AlisonDonut

A really excellent campaign idea there....

The wonderful gents from Man Friday already did this.

They predictably called the police on them and had them removed.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3261705-Turns-out-Hampstead-swimming-ponds-are-single-SEX-after-all
WeWillLookBack · 01/04/2022 11:33

Would love to see some Men help out - and identify as a woman on a Friday night.

Middle aged men using the toilets in the Pubs around the Universities. Because I am sure that the young women supporting this will fully support middle aged men in Female Spaces. After all - Acceptance without Exceptions.

ExMachinaDeus · 01/04/2022 16:27

Brian paddick is here to explain

Mr Paddick talks about being your true self. My true self is 16, glamorously thin & beautiful, and I can do a 6 o'clock penché & triple pirouettes (to the right and left) in every single ballet class I stroll into.

Grin
knowinglesseveryday · 01/04/2022 18:27

I wish someone would explain why Boris Johnson has flipped completely since 2020 on this issue.

DrSbaitso · 01/04/2022 18:39

@knowinglesseveryday

I wish someone would explain why Boris Johnson has flipped completely since 2020 on this issue.
I think the tide is turning. He's seen several members of the opposition make utter fools of themselves.
lassupthebrew · 01/04/2022 20:36

Boris may have actually listened to both women and transsexuals - the latter having said that this idea of self ID is destroying the trust built into the Gender Recognition Act by having psychiatric assessment to protect evidence of their sincerity.

If you basically open it up to anyone with no restraint abuse is unguarded and it is clear where some of those wanting to be enfranchised are coming from. A three letter word.

Some of these criticisms from transsexuals were in the English report on GRA reforms last year and self ID in England was being reassessed. So both that and the more than obvious and genuine concerns of women might have finally woken a few up to the game being played.

Hopefully the period of waiting and the need for medical assessment will also remain in England. The recent session on reforms seemed to affirm no itention to change this.

I get the impression he has had his eyes opened given the understandable anger of many women and the open hostility of some of those who did follow the rules properly to access the GRA who said he was trivialising their efforts.

And recent events that show clear overstretching in areas like sport whch transsexuals also warned would happen and called out on line too will not have harmed the concerns about taking steps too far.

Transsexuals told MPs to check Hansard and see there remain almost the same small number of holders that doctors told parliament would qualify for a GRC in 2004.

A fact most media have missed but might have rung an alarm bell to a politician. As if you are only going to access a law after all the rules are removed that might infer the wannabees are a bit worried about what that gatekeeping of those rules might uncover.

TheAbbotOfUnreason · 01/04/2022 20:46

self ID is destroying the trust built into the Gender Recognition Act by having psychiatric assessment to protect evidence of their sincerity

Excellent point, well made.

Lockedoorsopen · 02/04/2022 14:29

@TheAbbotOfUnreason

self ID is destroying the trust built into the Gender Recognition Act by having psychiatric assessment to protect evidence of their sincerity

Excellent point, well made.

Absolutely
Xenia · 02/04/2022 14:31

Good post lass. I agree.

Lockedoorsopen · 02/04/2022 15:48

I don't for minute believe Boris is that bothered about what is happening - however he has read the room right and can see Labour is getting a lot of shit for it at the moment.

So its an easy win for him.

And the Tories haven't really done that much tbf in regards to the protection of womens single sex spaces.

Men are in womens prisons - under his watch
Men are in womens hospital wards - under his watch

I will however vote for the tories on this single issue because I cannot waste my vote and I cannot be a party to Labour getting in. Because if they do - we are all fucked.

I mean we are all a bit fucked finically with the Tories but with Labour in it will be catastrophic for womens safety. I am so so angry with Labour. Honestly I have to turn the TV off when Raynor and Starmer come on - and I was a life long working class voter from a council estate.

The Tories have drawn a rather wishy washy line in the sand now they have to pull their finger out and DO something.

nauticant · 02/04/2022 15:59

That's precisely why I am worried Lockedoorsopen, Boris Johnson is so flip-floppy over anything controversial incuding this, because his top priority is to be popular, that if he sees a short term advantage in the Bill also relating to gender identity, then it'll go straight back in.

Matthew Parris said this about Boris Johnson in today's The Times:

It was said once that the two most powerful men in Russia were Tsar Nicholas II and the last person he’d spoken to

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2022 21:12

It was said once that the two most powerful men in Russia were Tsar Nicholas II and the last person he’d spoken to

It didn't end well for him, though.

Slothtoes · 03/04/2022 19:26

I agree nauticant
Kicking the GRA reform can a bit further down the road isn’t helping women. Nothing is secured for women by doing that. We’ll just have to waste women’s resources by campaigning about these issues all over again in a few years’ time.

Needmoresleep · 05/04/2022 13:11

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10685823/Wallis-says-excluding-trans-people-conversion-therapy-ban-broken-promise.html

How very predictable. This middle aged man who has recently come out as non binary is now an expert in adolescent health. Presumably he is unconcerned by the rapid rise in ROGD and does not seem concerned by those who later realise they have made a huge mistake.

Indeed in the same issue of the Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10685753/Becoming-man-huge-mistake-DID-doctors-allow-Glasgow-woman-asks.html

The initial proposals probably would NOT have ALLOWED doctors to question a troubled young woman or to have encouraged her to consider alternative treatment.

The man is a dangerous prat.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2022 13:16

How very predictable. This middle aged man who has recently come out as non binary is now an expert in adolescent health.

Wow, totally never saw that coming.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 05/04/2022 13:17

How very predictable. This middle aged man who has recently come out as non binary is now an expert in adolescent health

I realise that Stonewall, amongst others, present NB as under the trans umbrella but has Wallis actually stated that he's NB now?

womenspeakscotland.com/2021/06/23/the-trans-umbrella-is-older-than-you-think/

Crcohetmonster · 05/04/2022 13:23

He’s stated he will not be changing his and, the way he presents or his pronouns. I’m not sure in which way he is claiming to be trans if so.

DomesticatedZombie · 05/04/2022 13:27

'I've always believed that this debate attracts unnecessary hysteria and toxicity, and meaningful results can only come from meaningful debate.'

Oh, aye. 'Hysteria', eh? Who'd that be from, Jamie?

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