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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

MP comes out as transgender

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poshme · 30/03/2022 09:25

A male Tory MP has released a statement on Twitter that they are transgender, and also that a couple of years ago they were raped.
It's a brave statement.

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NecessaryScene · 31/03/2022 10:21

I realise this is likely to be a wind up but the brave new world is now so utterly deranged that I can't be certain.

It was a tiny bit tongue-in-cheek, but I think it is a pretty fair representation of the thought process of hard-core gender ideologues saying. Everything gets deconstructed so much, that you can't say "no" to any claim. All words are meaningless labels anyone can apply to themselves, including "trans".

It's just interesting to see hard-core gender theory coming from a Tory MP. He IS actually very representative of a real subcommunity, whatever his personal motivation.

AlisonDonut · 31/03/2022 10:21

@DrSbaitso

I'm sorry, *@NecessaryScene*, I think you were being ironic. I didn't get much sleep last night. Just ignore me. I'm over here, rocking in the corner, because I used to understand irony but then the loonies got the authority and the absurd became the truth and now I'm just waiting to be hauled off to Room 101.
We'll be there making you a cup of tea, don't worry. We're all there right now, watching wide eyed as this all plays out.
SmellyOldOwls · 31/03/2022 10:22

@NecessaryScene

Which is why I'm wondering how he is trans is he was a man before his declaration and wishes to remain one after it.

Are you suggesting you can't be a trans man simply because you're male? Why should anyone be restricted from being who they want to be simply because of their sex assigned at birth?

He's got as much right to be trans and a man as anyone. You can't gatekeep and say only those assigned female at birth can be trans men. That would be rather cisnormative. (I think. It would certainly be something multi-syllabic and problematic, anyway).

The key is in the word 'trans' if he's a man who wants to be considered trans doesn't there need to be some kind of transition involved there somewhere? What exactly is he transitioning to if not a woman?
SmellyOldOwls · 31/03/2022 10:24

To simplify my point, if trans men are men then surely he is just an ordinary man?

AlisonDonut · 31/03/2022 10:25

What exactly is he transitioning to if not a woman?

From [word I cannot say] to brave stunning hero?

Look at all the people swooning over him? It is hilarious.

nauticant · 31/03/2022 10:26

There does not have to be any kind of transition beyond a thought in someone's head that they're trans. Others can go further but the minimum needed according to the current ideology is merely the thought in the head.

People don't only transition to the opposite sex. They can transition to non-binary or simply to "trans".

NecessaryScene · 31/03/2022 10:27

The key is in the word 'trans' if he's a man who wants to be considered trans doesn't there need to be some kind of transition involved there somewhere?

You would think, but at this point "trans" just means "not cis", in the same way that "queer" means "not straight".

Where regardless of formal definition, by actual usage "cis" and "straight" seem to effectively mean "boring and privileged, like other people".

So saying you're "trans" or "queer" means "I'm more interesting and oppressed than you".

"Trans" was originally short for "transsexual" which did at least have some meaning - someone who was in some way, often hormonally or surgically, imitating the other sex.

But having become "transgender", you have the problem that "gender" itself has become meaningless. If "treegender" is a thing, then how do you transition to that? But it still makes you "transgender".

And who's to say that someone who is "treegender" has to use funny pronouns or dress differently? This MP hasn't said what his gender is, so maybe it's treegender. And he's a he/him masc-presenting treegender man.

Still trans.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/03/2022 10:28

@Ereshkigalangcleg

An elected female in London council (???) did that if circlegendered (??) Circungender (??); a woman who feels like a man, who feels like a woman qualifies.

Circumgender. The photo of her announcing it to the other members is priceless, due to their expressions.

Yes indeed.
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ArcheryAnnie · 31/03/2022 10:28

@DoobryWhatsit

I'm always in support of anyone making a public statement and denying the gutter press their scoop. It's almost unheard of for males to admit to having been raped, and I really hope Jamie gets all the help possible.

I fail to see how gender identity has anything to do with running sleazy websites, or hit and run crimes. I'm very much in the GC camp, but this already feels like a media campaign to discredit transpeople as a whole. (fwiw I absolutely think sex matters more than "gender", but I also believe that everyone should be allowed to live by and large however they want, with the exception of accessing opposite-sex spaces. So I don't like the instant connection between "here's a transwomen and look how awful they are").

He's specifically citing trauma as an excuse for crashing his car (under the influence) and running away. He's made the link, not anyone else.

It's a shitweasel move, denying responsibility for the criminal behaviour he perpetrated.

DomesticatedZombie · 31/03/2022 10:28

@Datun

Absolute hilarious that his trans status is being disputed by transactivists, on the basis of his personality.
Happy to support Karen White but not a Tory.
NecessaryScene · 31/03/2022 10:30

Yes indeed.

Mmm, but that was a bit 2019. Actually doing a very binary-normative thing of toggling between two genders twice.

This MP has actually moved on a gender axis totally orthogonal to the traditional male-female one, so you can't even perceive the shift in our dimension.

DrSbaitso · 31/03/2022 10:31

We had this conversation the other minute day. Someone insisting that because TWAW and use the prefix "trans", there MUST be an equal and opposite prefix for a non trans woman, and that prefix was "cis". Thus it is that trans women are women, but cis women are cis women, and there is no such thing as a woman.

I mean, I may have made a tit of myself a few minutes ago, but you can kind of see how it happened.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 31/03/2022 10:33

Don’t worry! Brian paddick is here to explain 🤪🤪🤪

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Lovelyricepudding · 31/03/2022 10:34

I see our eponymous hero is, or was until recently, married with two daughters. I hope his wife and children are OK. I wonder how long he has been betraying them with his gay hookups?

NecessaryScene · 31/03/2022 10:36

Brian paddick is here to explain

See? They do actually say this with a straight face.

"Trans" is who you are. Just like "fluffnurgy", which I myself came out as recently.

TheAbbotOfUnreason · 31/03/2022 10:37

If "treegender" is a thing, then how do you transition to that? But it still makes you "transgender".

Cue the “got wood” jokes.

nauticant · 31/03/2022 10:37

Brian Paddick has it right, at least in terms of what he's saying is consistent with what trans activists have been arguing for years.

Jamie Wallis has potential to be the Danielle Muscato of the House of Commons.

OldCrone · 31/03/2022 10:37

“ Now I’m identifying as Trans you can’t do anything or say anything negative about me”

In my opinion a seedy little man playing for the sympathy vote .

Sugar Daddy website.
Other businesses with hundreds of complaints to trading standards.
Hit and run car crash.

Now goes for the sympathy vote with the revelation that he was raped by someone he hooked up with online. Fails to mention that he's married with two young children while hooking up with other men for sex.

That's not quite enough so he mentions that he 'wants to be trans'. This means he can completely transwash his past.

Dodgy businessman and pimp now conveniently draped in a pastel pink and blue flag making all previous misdemeanors disappear.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 31/03/2022 10:40

Wait! The trans flag is like the Harry Potter invisibility cloak?? Grin

Datun · 31/03/2022 10:50

Jamie Wallis has potential to be the Danielle Muscato of the House of Commons.

Oh God, I hope so. Because Brian paddick is completely correct.

Your change of gender, and therefore accessing all rights and areas of the opposite sex, is simply a matter of saying it out loud. The ideology doesn't have any way of describing why that's not acceptable.

Jamie Wallis should be the trans pioneer that he knows he really is.

DomesticatedZombie · 31/03/2022 11:05

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Wait! The trans flag is like the Harry Potter invisibility cloak?? Grin
I think that might be non-binary, actually.

Trans is more glittery. Dazzle camo.

DomesticatedZombie · 31/03/2022 11:07

Guardian article seems slightly subdued. I've have expected a rainbow front page, at least:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/30/tory-mp-jamie-wallis-trans-reveals-rape-ordeal?fr=operanews

ValerieCupcake · 31/03/2022 11:07

@nauticant

There does not have to be any kind of transition beyond a thought in someone's head that they're trans. Others can go further but the minimum needed according to the current ideology is merely the thought in the head.

People don't only transition to the opposite sex. They can transition to non-binary or simply to "trans".

So if I have a thought in my head that I am a kangaroo, that makes me Skippy?
wasibat · 31/03/2022 11:10

I am sorry this bloke got raped.

Even though he pimped kids to rich pricks, that should not be any part of a proper punishment.

Being debarred from serving in the country's legislature, however, should be. I confess to bemusement at finding this a minority-held opinion.

According to Buzzfeed, and via Private Eye, it seems Jamie was 'involved with a complex family-owned network of companies that have been subject to hundreds of trading standards complaints'. He also lied about his 'sugar-daddy' involvement ( sc. he pimped kids to rich pricks and lied about it).

I watched PMQs yesterday. It was agreed on all sides that he deserves sympathy and praise for his authenticity -- for being and proclaiming his true self.

Me, I think an authentic corrupt pimp is a corrupt pimp.

nauticant · 31/03/2022 11:11

Well, there was evidence given in the Maya Forstater Employment Tribunal that the think tank where she worked has as a policy that if someone sincerely believes they're "trans race" then that's what they are, and this has to be validated.

There are people out there who claim the same about "trans species".

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