To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

[TeaKlaxon]

Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms.

Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong.

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong.

But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'?

twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

I bet you a tenner that I know way more butch women than you do OP. Stop using their lived experience prop up your push to get men into women's spaces.

OP. Why are you campaigning to get men into women's bathrooms? Are you a man? What is your angle here?

@Juanmariaramierz

It's the bog

@Clymene

Oh not the old butch women trope again 🙄🙄🙄🙄

This is what Allen's tweet said. That's the message she got. She didn't say it was true, she just posted what someone told her.

LOL

Like every time Trump said '...lots of people are saying X'.

Misinformation is misinformation, lies are lies.

YABU. There's nothing inaccurate about her tweet and no reason to remove it.

Your post accuses a public figure of lying when there's no evidence that she has. Your fantasies about a former US president, and about lesbians, aren't relevant.

@Clymene

I bet you a tenner that I know way more butch women than you do OP. Stop using their lived experience prop up your push to get men into women's spaces.

How do you propose to determine who wins the tenner?

Perhaps have the humility to recognise you know nothing about me, just as I know nothing about you.

Lucy Allen is the Tory MP for Telford. Telford is traditionally Labour, has a Labour council and I'm pretty sure will be a target for Labour in the next general election. She's jumping on the culture wars bandwagon in the hope of hanging on to her seat. Expect some racist dogwhistling too.

@Ohhhhladz

YABU. There's nothing inaccurate about her tweet and no reason to remove it.

Your post accuses a public figure of lying when there's no evidence that she has. Your fantasies about a former US president, and about lesbians, aren't relevant.

This is misinformation 101.

It doesn't stop being misinformation if you preface it with 'someone told me'.

The references to Trump are bizarre. What's Trump got to do with it? Are gender critical people Trump supporters in your head?

The women who have been challenged in bathrooms because they looked too butch and someone thought they were trans women or men would disagree with you

That poster did not say it never happens...just that she'd never seen it

I've never seen the ladies loo policed either

And again, I'm not saying it's never happened

@Franca123

OP. Why are you campaigning to get men into women's bathrooms? Are you a man? What is your angle here?

I'm not campaigning for anything.

I'm saying MPs shouldn't spread misinformation. You seem to disagree with that basic premise.

@Franca123

The references to Trump are bizarre. What's Trump got to do with it? Are gender critical people Trump supporters in your head?

The references to Trump relate to the claims that its not misinformation if all she's doing is relaying something she's been told.

That is a pathetic defence of lies.

The reference to Trump was because that was precisely how he tried to get away with lying as well, by prefacing most of his lies with '...lots of people are saying X' or 'someone told me Y'.

So technically he could say he wasn't lying - since perhaps someone did tell him Y. But if Y is misinformation, then he is still spreading it.

It is a disgusting tactic from any public representative, whether Trump or Allen.

@Whatalovelydaffodil

That doesn't sound good, but can we please stop calling toilets "bathrooms"!

why?

I agree OP.

MPs should not be making public statements about "I heard" and "so-and-so says" without basic checks.

@RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer

The women who have been challenged in bathrooms because they looked too butch and someone thought they were trans women or men would disagree with you

That poster did not say it never happens...just that she'd never seen it

I've never seen the ladies loo policed either

And again, I'm not saying it's never happened

Generally when people say they've never seen X, it is to imply it doesn't happen.

If that's not your or that poster's intention then fair enough.

@RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer

The women who have been challenged in bathrooms because they looked too butch and someone thought they were trans women or men would disagree with you

That poster did not say it never happens...just that she'd never seen it

I've never seen the ladies loo policed either

And again, I'm not saying it's never happened

Depends what you mean by policed. I’ve been told the mens are over that way by women leaving the loos or from someone tapping me on the shoulder while in the queue. So not technically policed but it’s happened and I’m not a butch lesbian but have short hair…

Whenever an anti GC person appears on here talking about “bathrooms” its Usually a pretty good signal.
The answer, I believe, it’s Mumsnet

Even the person who told her dose not appear to have said anything untrue, they claim to have asked where the womans toilet were (implying they believe them to exist) and were not told, so these facilities where not available to this person, though down to the choice of the staff member not the building design.

obviously I can't prove these events happen but neither can you prove they did not.

@SalsaLove

Bathroom sounds nicer than toilet.

No it fucking doesn't - it sounds fucking ridiculous for any place that doesn't have one or more baths.

@TeaKlaxon if you're going to post an anti-Tory post do it without proving yourself wrong.

There are plenty of Tory MP's you can have a pop at but misquoting someone and claiming they said something they didn't is misinformation - by your own definition.

I’ve been using public toilets for around 50 years and I have never seen an actual woman I believed to be a man in there
I have seen a few men who (claimed to) believe they were women though but as long as they minded their own business and didn’t want to borrow my lipstick or pass them a paper towel I didn’t challenge them

@dfendyr Because bathroom is a fucking ridiculous term for a toilet where there are no baths.

Incidentally, this misinformation seems to be a habit among people who want to have a go at trans people or establishments that are inclusive of them.

twitter.com/InayaFolarin/status/1507786322601250820?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

Here's a GB News presenter making the same claim about a pub in Belfast.

The only problem is that her claim is false. She is claiming that a sign that shows where the gents and gender neutral toilets are means that there are no women's toilets. But that is a lie.

Whats even more remarkable is that it is a lie demonstrated by the very sign she tweeted which, in small print at the bottom says that there are gender specific toilets on every floor - so the sign is literally just a direction to those specific loos, not an exhaustive list of all loos in the building.

Why do these people have such a need to lie?

@ScreamingBeans

Butch lesbians in the UK simply don't have the problems you say American lesbians have.

None of the butch lesbians I know have ever been challenged in a UK loo. And I know a few.

A) We're more polite and tolerant than Americans
B) We're not as homophobic as Americans
C) We're not as stupid as Americans. We can see that someone is a woman even when she's got short hair and jeans on.

D) Even if we're having an American day and being a bit stupid about what a woman is, as soon as a butch lesbian opens her mouth to make a pleasantry about the weather (which she may do if she senses that we're a bit dubious about her sex), all doubt is swept away,. Because women's voices sound different to those of men.

HTH.

Doesn't happen in the UK, you say?

divamag.co.uk/2021/01/19/news-butch-lesbians-are-facing-increasing-harassment-in-public-toilets/