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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling on Keir Starmer

315 replies

NancyDrawed · 12/03/2022 14:20

In the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10605735/JK-Rowling-slams-Keir-Starmer-Labour-leader-says-trans-women-women.html

'This hill we're all supposed to be dying on is mighty crowded, isn't it? And we all seem very lively, too...'

Love her!

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ChardonnaysPetDragon · 13/03/2022 16:57

Labour

bellinisurge · 13/03/2022 16:58

Wow, single mother / victim of domestic violence isn't allowed to be successful. Important bit of mansplaining there.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 13/03/2022 17:00

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AlisonDonut · 13/03/2022 17:04

Hopefully I wrote that in short enough sentences for you to cope with, you half-wit

Impressive rant without breaking the rules. I couldn't type mine out. Flowers

vamptramp · 13/03/2022 17:14

@spacehardware

"Men are not all inherently capable of violence just because of their biology."

Yes, they are. Snd we can't tell which ones are and aren't violent/predatory in advance, hence the purpose of single sex spaces.

Around 95% of sexual offences are committed by men and 88% of victims are women.

Trans women have the same offending rates as men btw. Because that's what they are.

Yep.

spacehardware · 13/03/2022 17:48

JKR left her fist marriage due to domestic violence and lived on benefits. She wrote the early drafts of Harry Potter long hand in a cafe.

Why don't people Google fgs

spacehardware · 13/03/2022 17:49

She understands full well what is like to be a vulnerable woman, because she was one.

NurseBernard · 13/03/2022 18:26

@JustAnotherPoster00

So very wealthy woman refuses to vote Labour, who would tax more of her wealth, because 'trans' whilst the Tory parties policies kill disabled and vulnerable woman through the removal of services and destitution due to the inadequate benefits system, does the holy one suggest who to vote for or is just a case of fuck the poor and lets get on with this right wing moral panic?

Solidarity sisters [eye roll]

It would be great if people could try not to embarrass themselves.

Helpful reminder: this is the feminist forum - people tend to be on the well-read, educated and widely informed side here.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 13/03/2022 18:31

The sole reason that JK Rowling is so wealthy is because the public have spent billions of pounds because they love her work so much. She literally earned every penny!

As someone said on the other thread, there is definitely more than a whiff of misogyny around women who earn lots of money, and they are made far more accountable for donating to charity, making sure they donate to the right people, not being allowed to enjoy living in big mansions without being made to feel just a little bit guilty about that. Even when they do all those things, and they are the only billionaire who came off the billionaire list due to the donations they made to charity!

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 13/03/2022 18:39

@Waitwhat23

If a transwoman wants to share your space so what? Of course there is a tiny chance she could have a sinister motive but there is a far higher chance that she just wants to live her life the best way she can and may need some legal protection to do that.

How many women are acceptable collateral?

There are women being raped in the female prison estate by convicted sexual offenders who identify as women.

There are women having to self exclude from rape crisis services because organisations are refusing to provide single sex services, despite being allowed to due to the exemptions in the Equality Act 2010.

Female athletes are being cheated in sporting competitions by having to compete with males and are being silenced by their sporting authorities when they raise concerns.

I could go on and on. There are so many examples.

How many women are acceptable collateral?

And as we keep saying, self id means that any man, however they identify, can declare themselves a woman (no change needed to appearance or presentation) and access single sex spaces. If a woman raises concerns, she is branded a transphobe and subject to the silencing effect.

You really can't see how this could be abused by predators?

100% this!!! Agree absolutely what you have written
Waitwhat23 · 13/03/2022 18:39

@JustAnotherPoster00

So very wealthy woman refuses to vote Labour, who would tax more of her wealth, because 'trans' whilst the Tory parties policies kill disabled and vulnerable woman through the removal of services and destitution due to the inadequate benefits system, does the holy one suggest who to vote for or is just a case of fuck the poor and lets get on with this right wing moral panic?

Solidarity sisters [eye roll]

One of the first results from a Google search using the words 'Jk Rowling Tax' - "Harry Potter author JK Rowling forks out £50m in tax as one of UK's top contributors - Daily Record" www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/harry-potter-author-jk-rowling-21366970.amp

I have no idea how she currently votes but she's always been a vocal supporter of and donator to the Labour Party in the past.

Again, all this information is very easily accessed through Google.

Rhannion · 13/03/2022 18:42

@DrSbaitso

Look, here's the TL;DR for those who can't read a short and well-written piece before blundering in.

It's not that transwomen are all predators. It's that opening women's spaces to any male person who just says he identifies as female, no further process required, is wide open to abuse by predatory men. It's happened already and judging by the daily death and rape threats, and hijacking of a thread about children's art work with obscene images, it will happen again.

You are not being virtuous or liberal by encouraging this. Think about reality, not your self image.

Well said!
DrSbaitso · 13/03/2022 19:00

Suggest nobody checks out Shitter this evening if they value their sanity. How does she stand all this crap from such twats?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/03/2022 19:37

@JustAnotherPoster00

So very wealthy woman refuses to vote Labour, who would tax more of her wealth, because 'trans' whilst the Tory parties policies kill disabled and vulnerable woman through the removal of services and destitution due to the inadequate benefits system, does the holy one suggest who to vote for or is just a case of fuck the poor and lets get on with this right wing moral panic?

Solidarity sisters [eye roll]

I see that in the short time I've been occupied in the kitchen others have put you straight on the many, many inaccuracies in this short post. So it just remains for me to say: You utter, utter numpty.
JK Rowling on Keir Starmer
ValkyrieVik · 13/03/2022 19:46

far higher chance she just wants to live her life the best way she can

By insisting on entering women's spaces? So "living her best life" whilst simultaneously trampling all over women's right to live their best life? ie going into a public toilet without the risk of people with penises being in there?

Hmm
Queenoftheashes · 13/03/2022 20:38

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Hahahaha - JKR literally demoted herself from billionaire status because she donated so much to charity. Unlike many vastly wealthy ppl she resides in & pays UK tax levels

But do carry on trying your desperate smear attempts

It is not womens fault that Labour are such utter fuckwits on this issue

Indeed £160million to charity in 2012
Blossomtoes · 13/03/2022 20:49

Indeed. And I bet the money will be used more sensibly than the millions she pays in tax.

AKASammyScrounge · 13/03/2022 22:36

One last thing about this remarkable woman. Her books caught on to the extent
that children who had never voluntarily read a book loved Harry Potter and read it. The books are sizeable and yet children took them on. Our school librarian ordered two copies of the first book,then another two. The queue to borrow the book stretched into infinity so more were ordered. When the next book in the series came out she knew to order several copies.
If she never did anything else in her life ,parents and schools would be indebted to her for inspiring children to read

bellinisurge · 14/03/2022 07:31

It's about predatory men abusing society's new religious faith and trust in the religion of gender identity. Question such men and you are a hateful bigot.
Sound familiar?
Do I think all priests, male social workers, male teachers and male sports coaches are sexual predators? No? But I expect basic safeguarding to try and keep the predators out. I don't expect to be vilified for expecting it.
The safest way is to " broaden the bandwidth " of what is a man. Keep out of my safe spaces and my sports.

LittleWhingingWoman · 14/03/2022 08:34

@JustAnotherPoster00

So very wealthy woman refuses to vote Labour, who would tax more of her wealth, because 'trans' whilst the Tory parties policies kill disabled and vulnerable woman through the removal of services and destitution due to the inadequate benefits system, does the holy one suggest who to vote for or is just a case of fuck the poor and lets get on with this right wing moral panic?

Solidarity sisters [eye roll]

Idiotic. You realise she has been a Labour supporter most of her life? And donated to the party?

Moral panic? Being told that men who rape who say they are women are magically women? I'm sorry you are a reality shirker but there it is.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 14/03/2022 08:55

What if a transwoman wants to share my space? Well they can't want what they want but the answer is no 🤷‍♀️

Anyway, as for JKR all I see is a lot of angry men furious that a woman - a woman - has achieved success and fame and, yes, universal respect. How dare she take what their many privilege entitles them to?

spacehardware · 14/03/2022 08:59

"The safest way is to " broaden the bandwidth " of what is a man"

It's amazing that TRAs cannot be made to see how regressive and bigoted it is to say that if you don't subscribe to a really narrow set of gender stereotypes about your sex, that must mean you should really be the other sex

When did we stop trying to change society and decide it was people who need to be fixed?

SpiderVersed · 14/03/2022 09:14

If a transwoman wants to share your space so what
Tough.

We all want things we can’t have. A man who wants to be perceived as a woman has no right to the single sex facilities established for women.

It’s not just about safety. It’s about freedom of religion, dignity, privacy.

No one can consent to erase boundaries on behalf of other women. While one woman says no, I say no.

bellinisurge · 14/03/2022 09:19

"No" is a complete sentence. "No, thank you" is me Being Kind.

Chrysanthemum5 · 14/03/2022 09:29

@Terfydactyl

If a transwoman wants to share your space so what? Of course there is a tiny chance she could have a sinister motive but there is a far higher chance that she just wants to live her life the best way she can and may need some legal protection to do that

This used to be the way it went, tw would use our toilets etc and for quite some time that was tolerable to women who used to feel sorry for them.
Then self Id was implemented, no talking, no debate, no asking if that was ok, nothing. It simply was, and then women started to think about the implications of self id and how any man could simply say "I am a woman " and we women could do nothing about that.
We saw the downfalls to self id, we also got quite upset that no one thought they needed to ask us what we thought.

Then of course some women will say who cares, it doesn't matter to me, completely forgetting the other women who it really does matter to. Those who if self Id is accepted everywhere and anywhere will no longer be able to use formerly women only spaces.

That's quite a lot of women to ignore and those women including me are rightly angry that we were ignored and we now cannot take a fuller part in life.

This is exactly what happened. We've always known a small number of transwomen used our spaces - changing rooms and toilets etc but the numbers were tiny. With self-Id that all changes and our previous kindness is being used against us.
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