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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling on Keir Starmer

315 replies

NancyDrawed · 12/03/2022 14:20

In the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10605735/JK-Rowling-slams-Keir-Starmer-Labour-leader-says-trans-women-women.html

'This hill we're all supposed to be dying on is mighty crowded, isn't it? And we all seem very lively, too...'

Love her!

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Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 12/03/2022 15:59

@WestendVBroadway

Another reason for me to dislike JK Rowling!
A great reason for me to love her!
Redshoeblueshoe · 12/03/2022 16:00

Labour losing women is trending on Twitter

HRTQueen · 12/03/2022 16:00

Yes she is very wealthy

But she is speaking out she won’t be silenced which many are trying to do

I glad to read pp have daughters that know the truth. I’m also glad I grew up not having to deal with males deciding for mw that being a women isn’t biological

ValkyrieVik · 12/03/2022 16:03

"Go JK, Go JK...!"

AeroMocha · 12/03/2022 16:06

At the moment, JRK on everything! She's being amazing on twitter again.

AeroMocha · 12/03/2022 16:06

(JKR not JRK of course!)

bluelavender · 12/03/2022 16:14

I think Keir Starmer made a signficant error here.

Transwomen are Women is a radical statement; it shifts the meaning of the word 'woman' from sex to gender.

It's what Starmer said next that I have the issue with

He said: 'I believe in safe spaces for women — I'm very clear about those too. I think the 2010 act, the Equality Act, which does provide for safe spaces for women is right. And therefore I'm very straightforward about this.'

If he had added two words he could have bridged the gap between the tensions between sex and gender definitions- he could have acknowledged that women fear sharing particular spaces when vulnerable with people who have a physical advantage due to testosterone. (he could have done even better and considered issues of fairness relating to sporting competitions)

Those two words

'I believe in safe spaces for women — I'm very clear about those too. I think the 2010 act, the Equality Act, which does provide for safe spaces for biologically born women is right. And therefore I'm very straightforward about this.'

Instead, he said something that endorses a gender only view, without giving any consideration to risks or disadvantages that women can encounter because of their biological sex

herecomesthehotsteppa · 12/03/2022 16:14

Ha!

JK Rowling on Keir Starmer
WeirdArchitecture · 12/03/2022 16:24

Funny how a filth rag like the DM is suddenly considered credible if it suits our narrative.

Considering the sexist, low level trash this tabloid generally spews out, how anyone can take it seriously astounds me.

If I was going to link to this story I would give the DM a wide berth. If there is an alternative article I would recommend posting a link for those of us who prefer actual journalism.

WeirdArchitecture · 12/03/2022 16:26

As for JKR, I agree with her but can't stand her. Prefer Germaine Greer's stance tbh.

TheUsualShitshow · 12/03/2022 16:29

You could look for one @WeirdArchitecture 🤷🏻‍♀️

jhuizinga · 12/03/2022 16:30

Indeed Weird - let's shoot the messenger because we don't like the message. That always works. I couldn't admire JKR more. She is so sane, intelligent and fearless.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 12/03/2022 16:32

So tempted to rejoin Twatter so I can support JKR but can’t face it.

Really hope she occasionally glances our way if so Flowers to you Jo!

I really can not describe how much I admire her for doing this.

ValkyrieVik · 12/03/2022 16:34

He said: 'I believe in safe spaces for women — I'm very clear about those too. I think the 2010 act, the Equality Act, which does provide for safe spaces for women is right. And therefore I'm very straightforward about this.'

Well, the problem with this statement is that it's a complete non-sequitur isn't it? (Sorry if I'm not using the phrase correctly) but he says he agrees with it - after saying he thinks trans women ARE women.

So he DOESN'T agree with it clearly? He is a lawyer don't forget and knows exactly what he's doing/saying.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 12/03/2022 16:35

@WeirdArchitecture I totally get your discomfort about the DM.

But do you know what makes me more uncomfortable. Actually scrap that scared Is the fact that newspapers such as i and The Guardian which are supposed to be my go to papers are not representing me as a grown woman any more. And more worrying are supporting views that I believe are dangerous to children.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 12/03/2022 16:36

I really fucking fed up.

Enough4me · 12/03/2022 16:38

The Times have stopped comments under trans articles, but readers are all commenting under the open comments on other articles. KS and Labour are being laughed at. After all, how is it not possible to know what women are?

AlisonDonut · 12/03/2022 16:40

@WeirdArchitecture

Funny how a filth rag like the DM is suddenly considered credible if it suits our narrative.

Considering the sexist, low level trash this tabloid generally spews out, how anyone can take it seriously astounds me.

If I was going to link to this story I would give the DM a wide berth. If there is an alternative article I would recommend posting a link for those of us who prefer actual journalism.

Does it really matter if the story is what we are talking about?

A legal publication published a story. Does the whole history of the publication need to be taken into consideration as to whether we believe the story, or are allowed to talk about it?

Is that not 'purity politics' in which only lily white virgin publications are allowed an opinion?

If that is the case can you please let us know what publications we are allowed to:
a - read
b - discuss.

Thanks so much.

Lifeinthelastlane · 12/03/2022 16:41

I am kind of waiting for the SG to arrest her under one of their thought crime laws. They won't go after someone like her though will they

Gilmorehill · 12/03/2022 16:42

None of the young people I know can be bothered with the trans debate.

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 12/03/2022 16:42

I am so fed up with ‘TWAW but I support women only spaces’. It means nothing because that person’s definition of women includes men.

Interviewers are going to have to be very clear. ‘Do you support single sex spaces ie only for biological females’ or ‘given you think TWAW, what is your word for ‘human of the female sex’ (which includes everyone of that sex and excludes everyone not of that sex). Do you support spaces (prisons, hospital wards) exclusively for those people?’

Worldwide2 · 12/03/2022 16:43

She's a bloody hero!! 😍

HRTQueen · 12/03/2022 16:45

I’m glad e DM is picking up on this

The more people are aware of how it is impacting women and not just a spat on social media the better

bishophaha · 12/03/2022 16:48

@WeirdArchitecture

Funny how a filth rag like the DM is suddenly considered credible if it suits our narrative.

Considering the sexist, low level trash this tabloid generally spews out, how anyone can take it seriously astounds me.

If I was going to link to this story I would give the DM a wide berth. If there is an alternative article I would recommend posting a link for those of us who prefer actual journalism.

I agree. The tweets are the actual statements, which can be gotten from Twitter without the "hit out at" bollocks. I am experienced at filtering it all out though, so just read the tweets....

As a general rule i like to cite as primary source as I can - it's good practice - unless the way an article is written is part of the story (eg the Guardian's very specific focus on one part of the Cass interim report).

Lifeinthelastlane · 12/03/2022 16:49

So KS simultaneously believes women are adult females and TWAW. He does not see anything contradictory about this?

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