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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Well that's not very lady like

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whachatalkinaboutwillis · 22/12/2021 17:58

I was sent this link by my 91yo DGM with the above comment.
www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19802592.northwich-woman-jailed-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog/
Utterly repulsive. Would this be recorded as a female crime?

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Feelingoktoday · 23/12/2021 21:04

@gailforce1

The Mail's fixation? - if these incidents did not happen the Mail could not report them. No one is making this stuff up, it is happening. The Mail is showing more spine than other MSM outlets in consistently covering these issues. And I say that as someone who 5 years ago would never have paid for the Mail but do so now regularly because it covering these issues.
Exactly
Needmoresleep · 23/12/2021 21:05

Ahh up to you. I have provided as much logic as I can.

I am not sure what your view is, though clearly you disagree with mine.

whachatalkinaboutwillis · 23/12/2021 22:35

That elf story! How Festive! Angry

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ScrollingLeaves · 23/12/2021 23:00

They may be a bit sensationalist, but they are the only place daring to expose the issue of male sex crimes appearing as though they are female.

The public as a whole has no idea about the extent to which something as unthinkable as a male crime being recorded a female one is now considered normal. Think of the government response to the petition that this should not be allowed to happen, or the police’s stance.

Then if self-ID is allowed, which it may be, sex criminals like this one will go to women’s prisons. Some are already there. If there were a poll to find out how many people know about this, I think the result would show that very few do.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/12/2021 23:35

@YouSetTheTone

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10340329/Transgender-paedophile-60-jailed-20-months-having-sex-dog-sent-male-prison.html

The Daily Mail has published an update. The perpetrator has been sent to a men’s prison.

Does this mean that currently only men with GRC’s are sent to a woman’s prison? I say ‘only’ but it would mean an offender couldn’t self-identify into a women’s prison then surely.

There are male prisoners without a GRC in women's jails currently.

In this case ... maybe he didn't convince whoever gets to decide? But it might be that he'll presumably be classed as a 'vulnerable prisoner' (the sort whose crimes make them a target for other prisoners ) - I'd guess there's a much smaller provision for this category in women's jails than mens, so there might not be a place available in the former?

YouSetTheTone · 24/12/2021 08:12

Thanks for the replies.

@ErrolTheDragon I thought that might be the case. It’s a bit frustrating that the DM readers might now assume that this applies across the board (that men identifying as women but who are ‘not legally female’ are put in men’s prisons), and not fully absorb that male prisoners without a GRC can be - and are - put in women’s prisons.

Of course, having a GRC does not change their biological status either. It is a moment to apply exemptions and not allow people with GRCs to be placed in single sex prison estates.

What a mess. Angry

whachatalkinaboutwillis · 24/12/2021 10:24

Karen White had never discussed being trans with their GP, never saw a therapist, nothing. KW, or Stephen Wood as they should rightly be called, lived in a housing complex and used the 'fake' trans identity to terrorise and harass vulnerable elderly neighbours, eventually stabbing one of them. Then, when arrested claimed to be trans, so was placed in a women's prison where women were sexually attacked. In short, a violent rapist who stabbed his elderly neighbour put a dress on and was treated with respect by the police, the courts and prison service whilst the man he nearly killed and the victims of his sexually attacks are gas lighted and told a woman attacked them. It is gas lighting of victims by the state. When I wrote to the BBC and pointed this out they said they respect pro nouns. When I asked how they knew KW's pronouns having not spoken to them they listed me as a vexatious complainant and barred me from contacting them.

I have personal reasons for my extreme anger about this case. And I am very angry. The state, and it's broadcaster think that the lived reality of a rape victim, and victim of a vicious knife attack is of no consequence but they respect the pronouns of a person described as 'fake trans'. It is horrific.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/12/2021 10:27

Great post whachatalkinaboutwillis
The real victims of all this go unnoticed while the different arms of the state simper and pander to so many abusive, aggressive sex offenders. That's what's offensive.

Sonex · 24/12/2021 10:37

The tread in chat has gone, pathetic.

The good news is that more and more regular people are seeing this shit now and recognising it for the gaslighting abuse of women that it is.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/12/2021 12:16

The AIBU thread is still up, though I don't think it ever got voting turned on.

FrancescaContini · 24/12/2021 12:31

@whachatalkinaboutwillis

Karen White had never discussed being trans with their GP, never saw a therapist, nothing. KW, or Stephen Wood as they should rightly be called, lived in a housing complex and used the 'fake' trans identity to terrorise and harass vulnerable elderly neighbours, eventually stabbing one of them. Then, when arrested claimed to be trans, so was placed in a women's prison where women were sexually attacked. In short, a violent rapist who stabbed his elderly neighbour put a dress on and was treated with respect by the police, the courts and prison service whilst the man he nearly killed and the victims of his sexually attacks are gas lighted and told a woman attacked them. It is gas lighting of victims by the state. When I wrote to the BBC and pointed this out they said they respect pro nouns. When I asked how they knew KW's pronouns having not spoken to them they listed me as a vexatious complainant and barred me from contacting them.

I have personal reasons for my extreme anger about this case. And I am very angry. The state, and it's broadcaster think that the lived reality of a rape victim, and victim of a vicious knife attack is of no consequence but they respect the pronouns of a person described as 'fake trans'. It is horrific.

Very important points made here, thank you. And we’ll done for contacting the BBC. They simply shut you down because they realised they had nothing to say because YOU WERE RIGHT.
FrancescaContini · 24/12/2021 12:32

Well, not we’ll, obv

Peregrina · 24/12/2021 12:37

I saw the BBC reporting this as a woman committing the crime. A very cursory glance told anyone who could read that it was a man committing the crime. When are those in authority going to knock this nonsense on the head - that a man who decides to wear a dress and calls himself she is not female, and will never be.

This is not to say that we can't sympathise with those who are genuinely intersex - but I haven't heard of an intersex person committing such a disgusting crime.

whachatalkinaboutwillis · 24/12/2021 15:21

@FrancescaContini yes, I was right when I reported Jimmy Savile in 1992, 1994, 1995 and 1999 as well. They apologised for ignoring me after the inquiry. I told them that the attack had a less severe effect on my mental health than being repeatedly called a liar and threatened by the BBC and the WYP. Again they apologised and told me to get in touch if I ever needed support. When I wrote to them - both the DG and Women's hour, I was fobbed off. When I reiterated my view I was listed as a vexatious complainant. This is how the state regards women. We are an inconvenience and our pain and mental torment matters less than the pronouns of a peadophile and rapist.
I am taking a hamper to someone in the housing complex KW inhabited later today. Not one resistant thinks that KW was a woman, he was a violent man. But the BBC respects him more than me, a victim of one of their presenters.

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ElPolloLoco · 24/12/2021 20:17

@nauticant

Trans woman Claire Goodier - who was previously known as John and convicted of child abuse images as a man in the past - admitted the offence in an earlier hearing.

Goodier, 60, was described as 'manipulative' and 'deceitful' by a probation officer at the Chester Crown Court sentencing today.

The pervert was listed under a male name but with a note added to be addressed in the hearing as Claire.

Compare with this:

www.ipso.co.uk/member-publishers/guidance-for-journalists-and-editors/transgender-guidance/

particularly Clause 12. It looks like the DM is edging closer to the restrictions of the Editors' Code and waiting to see at what point they'll trigger a reaction.

That could make a very interesting DM article “DM reported to IPSO for honest reporting about male sex offender”
Curfiloop · 27/12/2021 10:02

I don't think it was reported exactly what the mechanics of the act with the dog were. We don't know if the dog was male or female or who put who's penis into who. But I totally agree with your sentiment. It was a depraved act and he deserves to be thrown into a male prison.

MsGrumpytrousers · 27/12/2021 12:56

@Peregrina

I saw the BBC reporting this as a woman committing the crime. A very cursory glance told anyone who could read that it was a man committing the crime. When are those in authority going to knock this nonsense on the head - that a man who decides to wear a dress and calls himself she is not female, and will never be.

This is not to say that we can't sympathise with those who are genuinely intersex - but I haven't heard of an intersex person committing such a disgusting crime.

Hi @pelegrina. "Intersex" is the old term for people with DSDs. Please look up this term - it has absolutely nothing to do with trans issues except in using vulnerable people as idiotic gotchas.
Needmoresleep · 27/12/2021 21:13

Dorset Live doing their best to balance the linguistic tightrope

www.dorset.live/news/dorset-news/woman-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog-6408832?utm_source=dorset_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter2&utm_medium=email

The 60-year-old, who was born male and was previously known as John, has twice been convicted of possessing indecent images of children.

GiantKitten · 28/12/2021 09:16

@Needmoresleep

Dorset Live doing their best to balance the linguistic tightrope

www.dorset.live/news/dorset-news/woman-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog-6408832?utm_source=dorset_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter2&utm_medium=email

The 60-year-old, who was born male and was previously known as John, has twice been convicted of possessing indecent images of children.

Still says “she” and “her” throughout Hmm
ErrolTheDragon · 28/12/2021 09:45

While the media may feel bound to 'respect pronouns' when reporting an ongoing trial, I really don't see why that courtesy should be extended once there is a conviction for sexual and/or violent crimes.

Yebbie · 28/12/2021 10:02

So much sense spoken here. You cannot become female. Men should not have any technicalities by which they can get into a women's prison. Crimes committed by men should not be recorded as crimes committed by women.

I am sometimes scared for the future as my generation (I'm in my twenties) are so focused on woke culture, being so accepting of everything and everyone that women will lose their rights that previous generations and fought so hard for. We're already losing the word women, for god sake. My paperwork at my booking in with my midwife even said "Expectant mothers/people."

I worry gravely about when he haven't got the voices of the older generation fighting this corner too. Of course there are exceptions but I feel so out of sync with so many young women my age, who having been sharing posts about lush loaning out binders and calling it inspiring when I'm filled with horror.

Needmoresleep · 28/12/2021 12:34

Giantkitten I assume tthey still have to follow IPSO guidelines. That said they give more detail than most outlets, presumably because the crime took place on their patch. And seems to be a nasty case of sex offenders, of whatever gender, getting in touch via the internet and then commuting accross the country to meet up and indulge in illegal fetishes.

FedUpFemaleRightsAreIgnored · 17/03/2022 06:10

KW doesnt have a GRC and is officially listed as a male, a man and is in a mans prison.

FedUpFemaleRightsAreIgnored · 17/03/2022 07:13

I looked up official stats on gov web. Note- Men commit 99% of the sexual assaults on females and males. Only males (and transwomen with male genitalia) commit rape cos of how its defined officially.

2019 Stats in UK prisons (NB transwomen with GRC are NOT included)
13234 out of 78781 =16.8% of males in uk prisons are sex offenders (including rape of girls/boys but mainly to women),

76 out of 129 = 58.9% of transwomen in uk prisons are sex offenders (including rape of young girls/boys but mainly women including lesbians)

125 out of 3812 = 3.3% of women in uk prisons are sex offenders.

Hoardasurass · 17/03/2022 07:46

@FedUpFemaleRightsAreIgnored Would trans women with a GRA who have committed sex offenses be recorded in the women's stats? If so the question becomes what % of the 3.3% are biological women and what % are trans women 🤔