Well that's not very lady like

[whachatalkinaboutwillis]

I was sent this link by my 91yo DGM with the above comment.
www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19802592.northwich-woman-jailed-cocaine-fuelled-sex-dog/
Utterly repulsive. Would this be recorded as a female crime?

@Cheshirewife

Who cares what it’s recorded as? Main thing is that she’s locked away in jail!

I care about crime statistics. I care that some of the most vulnerable women in the country (women prisoners) might get locked in with a predatory male pervert

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.

[quote Cheshirewife]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.[/quote]
You can’t become female.
This person is male, regardless of how they identify.

[quote Cheshirewife]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.[/quote]
What do you mean by "is now female"?
You know that sex is not the same as gender ID so why lie about a male being female "now"?

[quote Cheshirewife]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.[/quote]
In what way is this person female?

[quote Cheshirewife]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.[/quote]
Since this Eaton is now"female," what safeguarding measures would be applied? I'm assuming you mean in a women's prison.

Person not Eaton.

He isn't female. He may say he is a woman but he bloody isn't. WHY are sex offenders allowed to change their name and stated gender? Anyone on the sex offender register should not be allowed to change name or gender for the duration of their time in it.

This gives me the fucking rage.

FFS nobody with a braincell believes this shit.

Should anyone feel moved to write to their MP on the matter:

www.theyworkforyou.com/

"Afraid she is now female"

I mean, we're just at peak trolling now.

I agree that the DM seem to have made a big step away from usual reporting with this article. It’s the first time I can recall seeing ‘identifies as female’ used straight off without readers having to join the dots re the description of the crime and the photos of the perpetrator.

Comments are naturally horrified that this man could be in a women’s prison.

"... IPSO guidance which is to refer to trans people using their preferred identity ..."

Where does IPSO say this? Not in the link posted above, as far as I can see. However, it does say:

An individual’s gender identity and sexual orientation must not be referenced unless genuinely relevant to the story.

But doesn't that mean that the person in this story must not be referred to as a woman, since that can only be a reference to the person's gender identity?

Also:
Clause 1 (Accuracy) requires that the press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information or images.

If describing this person as a woman or as female is not understood as a reference to the person's gender identity, then it would have to refer to the person's sex, in which case it would be both inaccurate and misleading.

Or am I missing something?

@Cheshirewife may know the offender, the user name is 'local' 🙄

I love your Gran, @whachatalkinaboutwillis.

The media story is disgusting in every possible way.

@Cheshirewife

Who cares what it’s recorded as? Main thing is that she’s locked away in jail!

It’s a crime committed by a male.

I certainly don’t want it recorded as a crime committed by a woman because that would be a lie.

I wonder for how long the lively sister thread will survive in Chat:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a4433438-Woman-jailed-for-sex-with-dog

[quote Cheshirewife]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.[/quote]
What part of putting their penis into a defenceless animal makes them female?

[quote nauticant]I wonder for how long the lively sister thread will survive in Chat:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a4433438-Woman-jailed-for-sex-with-dog[/quote]
Just read through that thread. My word, the things you can get away with saying on chat, compared to the rules we jump though over here!

Reassuring to see the... err... robust nature of the responses.

Who cares what it’s recorded as

The whole point of keeping a record is that it is accurate, so perhaps that’s the most obvious.

Crime statistics are used for all sorts of things (including funding and policing), it creates inaccurate picture if they are incorrectly recorded that could have real-life consequences.

Whilst it may be a relief that this person is now incarcerated, it is likely they are incarcerated in an women’s prison with vulnerable women. This male-bodied person (aka ‘man’), imprisoned for sexual offences is now in an enclosed space with access to numerous vulnerable women. It matters.

My word, the things you can get away with saying on chat, compared to the rules we jump though over here!

Yep.
Deleted this evening for my post that was literally quotes from a news paper. Apparently I didn't post in good faith/debate despite my OP asking posters to debate ethics.

@nauticant that's a great thread :)

[quote Cheshirewife]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Afraid she is now female. Clearly some safeguarding measures are required so probably a good thing the stats record this.[/quote]
No. The individual is a transwoman and transwomen can never be female.

@hallouminatus

"... IPSO guidance which is to refer to trans people using their preferred identity ..."

Where does IPSO say this? Not in the link posted above, as far as I can see. However, it does say:

An individual’s gender identity and sexual orientation must not be referenced unless genuinely relevant to the story.

But doesn't that mean that the person in this story must not be referred to as a woman, since that can only be a reference to the person's gender identity?

Also:
Clause 1 (Accuracy) requires that the press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information or images.

If describing this person as a woman or as female is not understood as a reference to the person's gender identity, then it would have to refer to the person's sex, in which case it would be both inaccurate and misleading.

Or am I missing something?

I hope the poster who identifies as a defence barrister reads this.