Women must resist arrest by any male police officer and demand the presence of a policewoman

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I've never posted on mumsnet before but I'm compelled to after reading reports of the kidnap, rape and murder of Sarah Everard.

Any woman who finds herself in a situation where she faces arrest by a male police officer must resist and obstruct that arrest at all costs. She must not face charges for doing either, since it is potentially dangerous for a woman to be taken away by a male police officer. We can no longer trust the police.

Rather, a woman must be able to demand that a policewoman be present before any arrest takes place. We can no longer assume that there is any rigour in the recruitment process involving male police officers.

Do you think I am being fair? After what happened to Sarah Everard, I think that resisting arrest and insisting a woman be present is essential to women's safety. See below for some recent cases involving the police.

Detective Inspector Neil Corbel was charged with 19 counts of voyeurism in the Greater London, Manchester and Brighton areas.

Wayne Couzens.

Deniz Jaffer and Jamie Lewis taking unofficial pictures of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman after they were stabbed to death.

I’m sure there are more incidents where male police officers hold women in contempt and would harm them if they could.

@MargaritaPie

"I'd rather be alive and deal with any consequences than be dragged off to be killed."

By a police officer in the UK? Talk about paranoia.

I agree. Women are killed by their partner/husband/boyfriend at a rate of 156 per year while on average, 1 woman is killed by a U.K. police officer per year*.

The reaction on here is more fearful than the statistics would warrant.

You’re even a thousand times more likely to be killed by the Covid vaccine^, than by the U.K. police, yet say you don’t trust the vaccine company or the JCVI and you’re a mad anti-vaxxer.

*policeconduct.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/statistics/deaths_during_following_police_contact_201920.pdf

^as of June 2021, 1,424 yellow card reports of adverse reaction to Covid vaccine resulting in death.
www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/06/25/uk-confirms-additional-deaths-related-covid-19-vaccines

WC is exactly what happens when we have a police force who protect their own above all, who breed misogyny and racism and who have an incredible amount of power with very little checking of how they wield it.

@Pumperthepumper. So WC is just a helpless pawn of the met police and was brainwashed by them into rape and murder? Sorry, no not buying it.

@PlanDeRaccordement

WC is exactly what happens when we have a police force who protect their own above all, who breed misogyny and racism and who have an incredible amount of power with very little checking of how they wield it.

@Pumperthepumper. So WC is just a helpless pawn of the met police and was brainwashed by them into rape and murder? Sorry, no not buying it.

Obviously not. But he was part of a system that protected him and enabled him - possibly even encouraged him - to be a risk to women. Remember his nickname? Remember his indecent assault? He could have been stopped, and he wasn’t.

For those who are a bit hard of thinking, I was specifically referring to/illustrating my point with what has already actually happened to Sarah Everard.
I CBA spelling it out any further though. Jesus wept.

You’re even a thousand times more likely to be killed by the Covid vaccine^, than by the U.K. police, yet say you don’t trust the vaccine company or the JCVI and you’re a mad anti-vaxxer.

Killed, yes. Assualted? Attacked? Belittled? Disbelieved? No.

I think we need to know what police issue bodycams look like in our area and how to tell if they're running or not. And it's always good to have 999 on speed dial!

Saying most police officers are trustworthy doesn't help at all, though. We want to be confident and able to trust, not hope for the best and rely on luck. It's just a variant of "Not All Men" isn't it?

Would you jump if you were told "Most parachutes open,"?

@Pumperthepumper
He could have been stopped, and he wasn’t.

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time. While I agree the police do need an overhaul, I don’t agree with blaming the police for what WC did. It’s no different from going on about the “red flags” of an abusive partner and then saying the woman or her family could have stopped him killing her, but didn’t. It is spreading blame around when the blame should be 100% on the murderer.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Pumperthepumper
He could have been stopped, and he wasn’t.

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time. While I agree the police do need an overhaul, I don’t agree with blaming the police for what WC did. It’s no different from going on about the “red flags” of an abusive partner and then saying the woman or her family could have stopped him killing her, but didn’t. It is spreading blame around when the blame should be 100% on the murderer.[/quote]
His nickname at work with his met police colleagues was The Rapist. That’s not a red flag. Nobody needed hindsight. The are absolutely to blame, they could and should have stopped him.

I am sorry, but this is insane. Yes there are a very low number of incidents involving police officers, yes I think there needs to be more psychological testing and supervision of police officers

Psychological testing? Wayne Couzens was nicknamed 'The Rapist' amongst his own colleagues. In the police.

I don't think a lack of 'psychological testing' is the fucking issue here.

Until we recognise misogyny as a hate crime, and society respects women as they ought, these little "minor indiscretions" would be seen for what they are - flags and indicators of women hating men who can (and most likely will) get progressively more violent.

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time.

You don't think personality traits that lead to one being nicknamed 'The Rapist' are red flags that are easy to see?

His nickname at work with his met police colleagues was The Rapist. That’s not a red flag.

Yes it is. It is the definition of a red flag:

1. A warning signal.
2. Something that demands attention or provokes an irritated reaction.
3. A cue, warning, or alert; a sign or signal that something is wrong.

A nickname like that is a big warning sign that he’s a violent man, capable of violence against women and as such demands attention....

The grammar in that post was hideous but hopefully my meaning came across.

They knew he was accused of indecent exposure - if you read the account of what happened it wasn't a situation that possibly could have been accidental or a misunderstanding. It was a deliberate act. That was entirely swept under the carpet instead of being recognised by the Met police as an alarming action for a serving police officer.

That's not a red flag, or something that only hindsight could recognise.

@Passmeamenuatthetottenham

You know it is easy in hindsight to see red flags, but not so easy at the time.

You don't think personality traits that lead to one being nicknamed 'The Rapist' are red flags that are easy to see?

No, I think it is a red flag. But they are always much easier to see in hindsight than at the time, which is also true.

He was also accused of indecent exposure several times, and no one in The Met thought that was a problem?

@AssassinatedBeauty
Indecent exposure is also a red flag.
Anything that indicates a warning of something worse might happen is a red flag. Obviously, it’s not a red flag for more indecent exposure, but it is a red flag for rape and murder.

No, I think it is a red flag. But they are always much easier to see in hindsight than at the time, which is also true.

What is there to see 'in hindsight'? You work for the police. You work with a man that you and everyone else calls 'The Rapist' presumably because he displays predatory behaviour. What 'hindsight' is needed?

I’m not denying that there were red flags or missed opportunities, there were. Which is why the police need an overhaul.

However, I do not blame the police for the actions of WC. He acted alone and he alone is responsible for his crimes.

Ffs. The indecent exposure was not a red flag because it's a concrete indicator that this person was not fit to be a police officer. Action should have been taken right then. No benefit of hindsight needed. The fact it was barely an issue for this man clearly indicates to me a massive fucking problem with the Met police.

@PlanDeRaccordement

His nickname at work with his met police colleagues was The Rapist. That’s not a red flag.

Yes it is. It is the definition of a red flag:

1. A warning signal.
2. Something that demands attention or provokes an irritated reaction.
3. A cue, warning, or alert; a sign or signal that something is wrong.

A nickname like that is a big warning sign that he’s a violent man, capable of violence against women and as such demands attention....

But not worth acting on? You think this needed hindsight to see?

@Passmeamenuatthetottenham

No, I think it is a red flag. But they are always much easier to see in hindsight than at the time, which is also true.

What is there to see 'in hindsight'? You work for the police. You work with a man that you and everyone else calls 'The Rapist' presumably because he displays predatory behaviour. What 'hindsight' is needed?

Everything we are seeing now is in hindsight because WC has raped and murdered an innocent woman. If someone has dodgy behaviour but hasn’t hurt anyone, what do you report exactly? That they make you uncomfortable? That your gut doesn’t like them? And how do you sack someone from the police force on the basis of only an unproven allegation of indecent exposure?

@AssassinatedBeauty

Ffs. The indecent exposure was not a red flag because it's a concrete indicator that this person was not fit to be a police officer. Action should have been taken right then. No benefit of hindsight needed. The fact it was barely an issue for this man clearly indicates to me a massive fucking problem with the Met police.

It was an unproven allegation (from what I read).

But not worth acting on? You think this needed hindsight to see?

Yes worth acting on, but easier to see in hindsight.

@AssassinatedBeauty

Ffs. The indecent exposure was not a red flag because it's a concrete indicator that this person was not fit to be a police officer. Action should have been taken right then. No benefit of hindsight needed. The fact it was barely an issue for this man clearly indicates to me a massive fucking problem with the Met police.

Police watchdog boss admits she wouldn't approach a lone policeman at night as ex-Met Chief Superintendent says women PCs don't raise concerns about male colleagues' behaviour 'because they'll leave them to get their heads kicked in'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10045531/Sarah-Everard-murder-Police-watchdog-boss-not-approach-lone-policeman-night.html